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[Lorizael]

You've got to be kidding.

Exactly. You think it's silly that anyone would even consider that they're the same, because it's your beliefs that are more akin to "herd mentality." You've dismissed the mere notion without analyzing it.

[N35t0r]

The silly notion that you have is that that applies to how one comes to have a religious conviction, or lack thereof. I'm not talking about predicting the weather.

If the religious conviction has ramifications that overlap with what can be otherwise be explained rationally, then no, it is not silly. When you start to claim that lightning is forged by the thunder god and tossed down to earth, and that his reason is better because as his faith gets stronger he can be more certain of his convictions, whereas science is just based on theories and doesn't claim to look for the truth.

[rah]

How do you think I started out? My point is that reason will only take you to a place of resignation. From there you must make a decision, just as when you get to a fork in the road. I'm just farther down the road than you.

You still don't see the difference so you can't possibly understand. Yes I've made decisions when I got to the fork. The difference is despite what I believe the truth is, I'm still open to new experiences that might influence what I believe the truth is. I will continue to have forks in the road and have to evaluate by beliefs again and again. You are on a road with no forks and therefore no decisions (you've stated that your faith just gets stronger).

[N35t0r]

How do you think I started out? My point is that reason will only take you to a place of resignation. From there you must make a decision, just as when you get to a fork in the road. I'm just farther down the road than you.

Yet have nothing but guesswork on you having taken the correct path. You're farther down the road, but yours might not lead tot he truth.

I'm waiting for you to explain how you aren't describing yourself here. How do you even know that you're getting anywhere if you don't have a destination? Pigheaded.

If you want an explanation, just look for any scientific argument there ever was, and how there's many hypotheses, which aren't discarded until there's contradicting evidence.

We have a destination, we just don't know what it is. The road is there though, and we move forward (and sometimes backwards) as we discover which is the right one. We don't even know if we'll ever get to the end, either.

Getting upset we're not moving at an adequate pace, making up a destination and blindly following that direction based on your faith in yourself alone is hardly comparable.

[DaShi]

Words!

[Lorizael]

$5 says Kid thinks that comic supports his argument.

[Kidlicious]

If the religious conviction has ramifications that overlap with what can be otherwise be explained rationally, then no, it is not silly. When you start to claim that lightning is forged by the thunder god and tossed down to earth, and that his reason is better because as his faith gets stronger he can be more certain of his convictions, whereas science is just based on theories and doesn't claim to look for the truth.

What is "explained rationally?"

[Asher]

Are you asking because you're not familiar with the concept?

[Kidlicious]

You still don't see the difference so you can't possibly understand. Yes I've made decisions when I got to the fork. The difference is despite what I believe the truth is, I'm still open to new experiences that might influence what I believe the truth is. I will continue to have forks in the road and have to evaluate by beliefs again and again. You are on a road with no forks and therefore no decisions (you've stated that your faith just gets stronger).

It's not that simple. You speak of experience as though it no longer affects a person of faith.

Yes, I've been on the same road as you. If only been a person of faith for about 11 months (I'm speaking of the type of faith that can't be explained by reason). Don't you remember?

But experience still plays a part in my convictions like it did before, the difference is that I don't simply believe that my experience dictates what the truth is like a person does who believes in the kind of relative truth that you do. Such a person is on a journey but they aren't sure if they will ever get to a destination. Being on the road is just fine with them, and they believe they keep getting closer to something, although they aren't sure if that thing exists.

Ah, but you admit to making decisions. That amounts to admitting that destinations do actually exist, and that we actually arrive at them and not just get closer and closer.

Seems like nonsense to me.

[Kidlicious]

Are you asking because you're not familiar with the concept?

Explaining things rationally is your thing, so you explain what it means.

[Imran Siddiqui]

In a certain way it does (in showing that verificationism is kinda silly). In other way, of how ridiculous someone sounds when they assert that they are absolutely correct and everyone else is wrong and must be looked down upon, it doesn't.

[Asher]

Explaining things rationally is your thing, so you explain what it means.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationality

[Kidlicious]

Yet have nothing but guesswork on you having taken the correct path. You're farther down the road, but yours might not lead tot he truth.

It's not guess work. It's resignation, the resignation that the scientific method gets me no where with this problem. So I have a choice to either stay at this point or go farther. I choose to go farther and ask God to bless me.

If you want an explanation, just look for any scientific argument there ever was, and how there's many hypotheses, which aren't discarded until there's contradicting evidence.

We have a destination, we just don't know what it is. The road is there though, and we move forward (and sometimes backwards) as we discover which is the right one. We don't even know if we'll ever get to the end, either.

Getting upset we're not moving at an adequate pace, making up a destination and blindly following that direction based on your faith in yourself alone is hardly comparable.

You're fooling yourself.

[Asher]

You're fooling yourself.

Oh, awesome. Yes, he's fooling himself. You're not self-deluding at all.

[Kidlicious]

You've get to provide an adequate reason as to why predicting the weather and religious convictions are distinct phenomena.

This reason is simple. In fact, it's a simple matter of reading some books or even using the internet to find out the information. But you claim to know all about it anyway so why should I explain it, especially when I'm not here to explain that. I'm here to explain how you aren't a reasonable person.

What is a reasonable person? Is that someone who is reasonable relative to another person. No, a reasonable person, as we are speaking of one is one who can absolutely seek out truth and can therefore absolutely find the truth. The ancients called that person The Wise Man. The thing is the The Wise Man was not a real person. The Wise Man is an ideal, an absolute. The Wise Man was reasonable because he was perfectly humble, courageous, honest, and concerned.

Today we have no such concept of a reasonable person. A reasonable person today is someone who thinks like we do. This person will not do as a true seeking and finder of truth. But thanks anyway Thomas Jefferson.

The problem with people today is they're like school boys who claim to know everything because they passed all their classes by peeking at the teachers answer book. You only truly find the truth by working out the problems.