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[Asher]

That's not true. It's rational, if for the only reason, it gives you hope.

It's now clear you've no ides what rationality is, as if your posts were not enough...

[Asher]

Faith in the sun rising is not the same as faith that Jesus is the Son of God. One is an entirely different thing.

No, it's not.

People have faith because they don't know any better. It's true in both situations.

Why do you think the Church was so ****ing terrified of science?

[SlowwHand]

Whatever, Asher. You can't sit there and tell me that you have faith in nothing.

Kid, from Merriam-Webster dictionary.

firm belief in something for which there is no proof

From the Bible.

Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. ~ Hebrews 11:1

You may think that you know that the pattern of the sun is set and have faith in it, but on one occasion it wasn't so.

Joshua 10:12-14

12 Then Joshua spoke to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel:

“Sun, stand still over Gibeon;
And Moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”
13 So the sun stood still,
And the moon stopped,
Till the people had revenge
Upon their enemies.

Is this not written in the Book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. 14 And there has been no day like that, before it or after it, that the LORD heeded the voice of a man; for the LORD fought for Israel.

[Kidlicious]

Not all of the ideas I mentioned there are mundane articles of faith. People have faith that things used to be better back in the old days, that their memories are reliable, that scary, low probability events are likely to happen to them, that homeopathic remedies are anything more than sugar pills, that their eyes see reality, that friends give better accounts of events than enemies, and so on. We humans have faith in absurd ideas all the time. Rationality is the exception.

Faith in God isn't like any of those things. Faith in God is not a common thing, although you would think so listening to people talk. Look at how they act though, and you will get a better picture.

No, it takes far more than just education. Everyone in America goes to school and gets an education, but almost no one in America really understands anything about the rational science behind our world.

That's nonsense. People are extremely rational now days. You can't be anything but rational without recieving scorn from society. It's having true faith in God that is the exception.

[Asher]

Whatever, Asher. You can't sit there and tell me that you have faith in nothing.

I don't have faith in anything, insofar as it's unrockable firm beliefs.

I believe in things in the absence of proof, but I would not characterize those beliefs as firm.

I'm not even an atheist so much as an agnostic.

[Asher]

Faith in God isn't like any of those things. Faith in God is not a common thing, although you would think so listening to people talk. Look at how they act though, and you will get a better picture.

Faith in the supernatural is, indeed, a very common thing when there are no other explanations.

Virtually every culture in history will tell you this.

Do you know anything?

[Kidlicious]

People have faith because they don't know any better.

You aren't using your brain. I'm not arguing against your statement (because it's sometimes true), but then that isn't the kind of faith that I'm talking about. I'm talking about knowing something that can't be known by rational thinking.

Why do you think the Church was so ****ing terrified of science?

Possibly because they didn't truly have faith.

[Asher]

You aren't using your brain.

I am also willing to accept this definition of "faith"

Possibly because they didn't truly have faith.

[Kidlicious]

Faith in the supernatural is, indeed, a very common thing when there are no other explanations.

Virtually every culture in history will tell you this.

Well not the apolyton cutlure. I would say that most of Europe doesn't believe in any supernatural.

[Kidlicious]

From the Bible.

Slowwhand, do you actually think that when God is talking about faith, he's talking about the sun coming up in the morning?

[Kidlicious]

How are people "wired" to believe in Yahweh?

I don't know of any other religion that claims that every human being is created to believe in their God besides Christianity. Even Islam believes that Jews and Christians are not meant to be Muslim.

[Lorizael]

Faith in God isn't like any of those things. Faith in God is not a common thing, although you would think so listening to people talk. Look at how they act though, and you will get a better picture.

Oh, I see. So faith is defined as good qualities you believe other people possess.

People are extremely rational now days.

It's hard for me to express how thoroughly wrong you are about this. Tell me which of these no longer holds true for the majority of the human species.

[Asher]

Well not the apolyton cutlure. I would say that most of Europe doesn't believe in any supernatural.

It turns out that as education systems improve and most people are equipped with better problem-solving skills, religious faith declines. That should tell you something.

The key phrase is "when there are no other explanations". When we understand our world, faith in the supernatural diminishes and is replaced by knowledge of the natural.

This is why religion is a dying concept. This is why church attendance is down. It's on a slow slide to obscurity.

It doesn't change the fact that the default human condition is inclined to believe in the supernatural until we know better. We just know better now. Well, most of us.

[giblets]

I don't know of any other religion that claims that every human being is created to believe in their God besides Christianity. Even Islam believes that Jews and Christians are not meant to be Muslim.

The question remains why so many people go about believing in Zeus or Krishna or whatever if they're really wired to believe in Yahweh.

[Lorizael]

I don't know of any other religion that claims that every human being is created to believe in their God besides Christianity. Even Islam believes that Jews and Christians are not meant to be Muslim.

Exactly where does Christianity make this claim?