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[Asher]

Faith

Faith is beyond rational in the same sense that P. Diddy is beyond Mozart.

[Kidlicious]

Reality, science, reason, rationality, and logic.

Science? Not

Reason etc... that depends on who you talk to.

[Kidlicious]

Faith is beyond rational in the same sense that P. Diddy is beyond Mozart.

This is what you aren't getting. Any religious person on this website can be just as rational as any athiest. But it's the athiest who can not go a step further and have faith.

[Lorizael]

But surely it would still be possible to believe in a God if there was no God?

That's hypothetical, however I would disagree.

I believe in Zeus.

[Asher]

This is what you aren't getting. Any religious person on this website can be just as rational as any athiest. But it's the athiest who can not go a step further and have faith.

You can't be wholly rational and be religious. You can be rational in any other case other than religion.

But it is not rational to believe in something because you believe in it, and not because there's any evidence for it.

Faith and Rationality are not on a continuum. They are separate concepts.

[dannubis]

Kid, you are not going to tell us the earth is flat ey ?

[Kidlicious]

If you want to be right by any circumstance other than chance, rational conversations really are the way to go.

If you want to talk about math, sure. But if you want to talk about the existence of God, you won't get anywhere.

[Asher]

If you want to talk about math, sure. But if you want to talk about the existence of God, you won't get anywhere.

Do you not comprehend that it is irrational to believe in something purely because you want to believe it?

[dannubis]

If you want to talk about math, sure. But if you want to talk about the existence of God, you won't get anywhere.

I say God doesn't exist because no one ever made a measurable observation of him/her/it (that can be verified).

You say god exists because ???

[Kidlicious]

You can't be wholly rational and be religious. You can be rational in any other case other than religion.

But it is not rational to believe in something because you believe in it, and not because there's any evidence for it.

Faith and Rationality are not on a continuum. They are separate concepts.

Of course they are seperate. That's why I'm saying to go beyond rational. That said, I disagree with your claim that a rational person can not be religious. Explain please.

[Lorizael]

This is what you aren't getting. Any religious person on this website can be just as rational as any athiest. But it's the athiest who can not go a step further and have faith.

You have it all backwards. Humans are naturally inclined toward faith. We have faith that the Sun will rise, that when we jump we'll come back down, that loud sounds are indicative of danger, that our partners won't betray us, that the drivers on the road won't intentionally crash into us, etc.

Faith is the natural state of human existence. Reason and rationality are exceptional. It takes rational thought to understand orbital mechanics, gravity, the brain, our own cognitive biases, etc.

[Kidlicious]

I say God doesn't exist because no one ever made a measurable observation of him/her/it (that can be verified).

That seems to me to be a foolish reason.

You say god exists because ???

I will decline to say, because I'm not inclined to spend enough time explaining.

[Kidlicious]

Do you not comprehend that it is irrational to believe in something purely because you want to believe it?

That's not true. It's rational, if for the only reason, it gives you hope. And it is possible to believe what you want to believe, with some limitations.

[Nikolai]

One don't prove God exist. One believe.

[rah]

Hence the irrational aspect of it.