Why do Filipinos like white guys so much?

[Heraclitus]

Yeah it's all the same. The only difference is one is through technological means and the other is through eugenics. Transhumanism is much more likely though. Heraclitus is betting on the wrong horse.

There really isn't a difference between genetic engineering and eugenics. And safley using genetic engineering to modify humans will take decades, using existing genetic variation could begin right now.


I still consider myself a Transhumanist, I just fear Asians may not be smart enough to figure out how to build a friendly AI. On the other hand they may be smart enough to pull off eugenics or genetic engineering of humans.

BTW In practice many Chinese provices refuse to give mentally or physically handicapped people (I don't support this but it does fall under eugenics) marriage licenses and genetic testing for diseases is encouraged.

Its also becoming a scientific superpower.

In 2007, Chinese geneticists discovered vast differences in the genetic makeup of Africans, Asians and Caucasians. They will soon report a breakthrough showing why some people -- such as Tibetans -- can live effortlessly at high altitudes while others can't.

Oh, I'm quite willing to bet the unPC Chinese will figure out a whole lot more than why the Tibetans are better at living at high altitude than the Andean peoples.

Inside the 11-story facility, the vibe is pure Silicon Valley start-up: shorts, flip-flops, ankle bracelets, designer eyewear and a random tattoo. Zhao came to BGI on a summer internship last year to work on cucumbers. Now a full-time employee while continuing his studies, Zhao is turning his attention to a topic Western researchers have shied away from because of ethical worries: Zhao plans to study the genes of 1,000 of his best-performing classmates at a top high school in Beijing and compare them, he said, "with 1,000 normal kids."

Time to learn Mandarin and Cantonese

Its quite silly how people somehow imagine the US competing with China in the future. Its ridiculus, a country with a billion and a half IQ 105 brains? Once could split China up into two or three countries and still every one of them would be a force comparable to the US in just a few decades.
Human brains are what ultimatley build all economies.

Canada will however do alright, its mostly importing high IQ Indians and Asians. So I can easily imagine Canada growing and becoming a powerfull nation of over 100 million people by the end of the century.

[Elok]

A country with a billion and a half IQ 105 brains crowded together, massive corruption, a jackbooted government doing an ineffectual job of squashing dissent, a countryside full of industrial runoff, the ticking time bomb of North Korea for a neighbor, a whole generation of men coming of age with not enough women to marry...but yeah, their superior Asian smartiness will overrun us all for sure, it's all over unless they do what they did for most of history, turn insular and stagnate.

[Al B. Sure!]

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/news-events/news/commentary/chinas-century-not-upon-us

http://helenhwang.net/2010/04/myth-of-china-as-a-superpower/

I think the fear of China has a lot less to do with supposed 1 billion geniuses running around discovering breakthroughs in science and having the strongest economy and more to do with these hordes...



There's going to be a lot of men without wives in China... angry sexually frustrated men

[Al B. Sure!]

In case you don't read the link, some key points affecting the development of China:

Even if Chinese gross domestic product passes that of the US in about 2030 (as Goldman Sachs projects), the two economies would be equivalent in size, but not equal in composition. China would still have a vast underdeveloped countryside and it will begin to face demographic problems from the delayed effects of its one-child policy. Moreover, as countries develop, there is a tendency for growth rates to slow. Assuming Chinese growth of 6 per cent and American growth of only 2 per cent after 2030, China would not equal the US in per capita income until sometime in the second half of the century.

During the past decade, China moved from being the ninth-largest exporter to the largest in the world, but China’s export-led development model will probably need to be adjusted as global trade and financial balances become more contentious in the aftermath of the financial crisis. Although China holds huge foreign currency reserves, it will have difficulty raising its financial leverage by lending overseas in its own currency until it has deep and open financial markets in which interest rates are set by the market, not the government.

Unlike India, which was born with a democratic constitution, China has not yet found a way to solve the problem of demands for political participation (if not democracy) that tend to accompany rising per capita income. The ideology of communism is long gone, and the legitimacy of the ruling party depends upon economic growth and ethnic Han nationalism. Some experts argue that the Chinese political system lacks legitimacy, suffers from a high level of corruption and is vulnerable to political unrest should the economy falter. Whether China can develop a formula that can manage an expanding urban middle class, regional inequality and resentment among ethnic minorities remains to be seen. The basic point is that no one, including Chinese leaders, knows how the country’s political future will evolve and how that will affect its economic growth.

[Barnabas]

Filipina women for Chinese men!

[Heraclitus]

In case you don't read the link, some key points affecting the development of China:

The one child policy is basically no longer an issue in most major cities, and several provinces are completley phasing it out. For example since 2009 people who where themselves an only child can have two children in most provinces. Also countriside peopel have always been allowed to have 2 kids.

Also I don't think people appreciate how incredible the change is, China may reach US income per capita before the end of this century! Think about where those guys where 100 or even 50 years ago.

Filipina women for Chinese men!

We can have the Chinese invade the isles keep the women for themselves and then send all the men to Canada and San Francisco.

Either that or Lancer needs to found a export company and employ some extra hands

A country with a billion and a half IQ 105 brains crowded together, massive corruption, a jackbooted government doing an ineffectual job of squashing dissent, a countryside full of industrial runoff, the ticking time bomb of North Korea for a neighbor, a whole generation of men coming of age with not enough women to marry...but yeah, their superior Asian smartiness will overrun us all for sure, it's all over unless they do what they did for most of history, turn insular and stagnate.

Hm. Easy to solve. Just "Liberate" a African trading partner or two. If the Chinese put their mind to it I'm sure Westerners would never dream of stopping them taking over large parts of Africa. Engineer the deaths of a few thousand chinese citizens, pin it on Somalia and perhaps Eritrea. Enter with overwhelming force. Destabilize goverments in Ethiopia and Sudan, repeat. Intervene to stop genocide in the Congo or whatever, and just plain make the rest of the countries your pupet states. Exile any domestic dissidents to Kazahstan or Mongolia. Bloodily repress the by now rioting Muslim minority, if need be intervene in a Central Asian Country at this point. More dead unsexed males!

Burn off a few million Chinese males due to disease, earn profit, settle veterans and have them enjoy polygamus marriage with local girls as the new tribal leaders. Roman style.




Either this or just let them play WoW and Starcraft. Either will work.

[Asher]

Fun fact: the GDP of Calgary is somewhat larger than that of Slovenia.

[Al B. Sure!]

Also I don't think people appreciate how incredible the change is, China may reach US income per capita before the end of this century! Think about where those guys where 100 or even 50 years ago.

Think about where America was 100 years ago... or Japan. It's not that incredible. Japan went from no technology to fighting the US for dominance of the Pacific in a single lifetime. And in another lifetime since then has become a scientific and economic power.

[Al B. Sure!]

Hm. Easy to solve. Invade a few central Asian Countries or if Russia seems a tad too touch just "Liberate" a African trading partner or two. If the Chinese put their mind to it I'm sure Westerners would never dream of stopping them taking over large parts of Africa.

China lording over Africa? That would be the weirdest thing ever.

[Heraclitus]

Think about where America was 100 years ago... or Japan. It's not that incredible. Japan went from no technology to fighting the US for dominance of the Pacific in a single lifetime. And in another lifetime since then has become a scientific and economic power.

100 years ago the US was the largest economy as it is today. Not much has changed in fact in relative terms the US has been in decline since the 1950's.

1867 to 1941 is a time period of 74 years. And the Japanese are only outsmarted by the Jews. China has spent what? 30 years free from the most destructive policies of Mao? In 30 years time the US will be majority non-white, and the share of East Asians and Indians will be miniscule. The Hipsanics and Blacks will vote for more and more socialism with each election cycle. The strong Israeli lobby ensures at least one more very expensive war in Iran is also likley in this time period.

China may be old in 2040, and I'm wondering what they could still do with a strong handed natalist policy. But I'm betting even if trends are as they are it will be in better shape than the US.

China lording over Africa? That would be the weirdest thing ever.

I know its oldschool. However Africa may be a good population sink, the constant bloody attrition and guerilla war. And once you're fully in control the Chinese could literally export hundreds of millions of their ronrey middle aged men to settle there. If not enough war widows are avaiable just start importing Indian women to the new prosperus fortress cities of Africa.

[Al B. Sure!]

Ok Heraclitus. In all seriousness, can you stop with the editing of posts that I already responded to? You edited it a full 15 minutes after you posted it! Just make a new damn post! Or get all your thoughts out before hitting post reply!

And Chinese men have polygamous marriages to African women

I'd like to see that happen.

[Heraclitus]

Imagine a backdrop of a brutal occupation coopting existing tribal structures in a divide and counquer game. A Chinese officer could easily get himself married to several girls offered by local tribes in excahnge for his favour in local disputes.

The Chinese could also start enforcing a one child policy, ensuring land prices stop rising so their soldiers can afford to settle.


Either that or China can just encourage massive legal emigration of ronrey males while keeping up its policy of NeoColonialism. Just make sure local corrupt goverments allow "private" Chinese security and keep them firmly bribed, heck why not make a deal with India and let them have a bit too in exchange for its support? After moving hundreds of millions of Chinese, demographics could easily give them several Han dominated African states in just a few decades. South Africa would be a easy target. What 40 million people? And it gets better the goverment after Chinese lobbiying classified Chinese as "Black" which means they get all the goodies of "black economic empowerment".

Come to think of it perhaps China is already counting on doing this?

[KrazyHorse]

[Al B. Sure!]

100 years ago the US was the largest economy as it is today. Not much has changed in fact in relative terms the US has been in decline since the 1950's.

Well China is still several decades from the US anyway. I suppose a comparison of the US in 1850 and 1950 would have been a better example. And the US in decline since the '50's? who says? We completely dominate the world now something that could not have been said at all in 1950.

In 30 years time the US will be majority non-white, and the share of East Asians and Indians will be miniscule.

You're misconstruing things. Hispanics will be the majority but are Hispanics non-white? That's iffy. And Hispanic assimilation into 'white' increases with economic status. Cuban Americans, for example, have the highest average income of Hispanics, tend to vote Republican, and have come a long way from being viewed in the general white community as Scarface-like drug dealers. It seems a lot to ask of Mexicans to make that transformation but it's possible

China may be old in 2040, and I'm wondering what they could still do with a strong handed natalist policy. But I'm betting even if trends are as they are it will be in better shape than the US.

I don't think you understand just how powerful the US is. Have you ever been here? Granted, I don't know how other countries are but from what I've seen from movies, the internet, etc., the standard of living is far higher than anywhere else in the world, our military is insanely capable, etc. The US aint going anywhere anytime soon.

And once you're fully in control the Chinese could literally export hundreds of millions of their ronrey middle aged men to settle there. If not enough war widows are avaiable just start importing Indian women to the new prosperus fortress cities of Africa.

I could be wrong but Chinese always struck me as a generally extremely racist people. It may be a completely wrong assumption and stereotype but I can't see Chinese sexing it up with Indians and Africans.

[Heraclitus]

Best thing is they could time this with massive emigrations into Russia, Central Asia, Australia and Mongolia. All the while agressivley promoting "minority" rights. All they need is to keep the Chinese from assimilating and they [ethnic Han] will control the countries in question (or in the case of Russia firmly make it their vassal). All these Han countries could afterwards easily be linked together into some kind of economic community.

Then in the late 2070's with the US gone as a major power and right before India starts becoming a threat do some agressive maneuvering and get back Taiwan, and occupy Korea and Vietnam for ****s and giggles.



This thread is awesome BTW