Why do Filipinos like white guys so much?

[Heraclitus]

The Mongoloid of the gracile type demonstrated by the ruling classes of Japan and Manchu China is quite docile and civilized, as would be expected of beings with such physical dispositions.

Lol, this is actually true in a sense since East Asians like the Japanese and Chinese have a higher future time orientation due to their long civlized past and high populations.

You're like that. You're like an anthropology book from the 1920's.

Maybe. If so studies in the fields of genetics will in the coming decade sound more and more like something of the 1920's to you.

[Heraclitus]

Are you seriously saying that the technological development of Africa is due to inferior Black genes?

No, African genes are not inferior.


However evolution did not stop 40 000 years ago. Things like genes that control lactose tolerance, resistance to infectious diseases, lower risks of diabetes have spread rapidly as a response to agriculture and animal doemstication. Lactose tolerance for example is much higher in modern English than in Shakespearian times (a few mere centuries later).



Its silly to imagine no selection took place on personality types or cognitive abilites.

Most African "Blacks" are pretty selected for a farming existance and where on the same path as Eurasians before outside intervention. They where "slower" in developing civilization than Eurasians since they had to carry a heavier parasite load (parasites in Africa are nasty since humans have lived there for so long they are adapted to us) and the reasons Jared Diamong goes into.

Due to the traits that made them adapted to agriculture the Bantus readily displaced people like the Bushmen in South Africa in the apst few centuries, expanding from West Africa since farming has a higher carrying capacity per hectare than hunter gatherers.

The people most vonureable to the risks of living in civilization are Brazilian Rain forest tribes, Australian Aboriginals, Pygmyes, ect.

And no their genes aren't "inferior" either.
Or do you consider s White man or a Middle Easterner with a higher genetic risk of diabetes or alcoholism inferior to yourself?

[Al B. Sure!]

Lol, this is actually true in a sense since East Asians like the Japanese and Chinese have a higher future time orientation due to their long civlized past and high populations.

Yes because Asians are so docile and peaceful and things like ****ing insane crazy Japanese suicide warriors blowing themselves up, flying planes into aircraft carriers, and charging into machine gun emplacements screaming BANZAI!!!! never happened.

What's the higher future time orientation behind this sort of behavior?



I guess Banzai which means '10,000 years' to you implies that they have the longest of future time orientations! They're thinking about 10 millenia from now!

[Heraclitus]

Future time orientation means Japanese are the kind of people less likley to get into a bar fight and or brawl. Being "warlike" or whatever isn'g anything like that.


I would not describe desiring a honorable death, fanatically fighting for your country or God as low future time orientation.

[Al B. Sure!]

Future time orientation means Japanese are the kind of people less likley to get into a bar fight and or brawl. Being "warlike" or whatever isn'g anything like that.


I would not describe desiring a honorable death for your country, or fanatically fighthing for your God as low future time orientation.

Honestly, what is the difference? What's the difference between a guy getting in a bar fight and a country waging war against another? They might be more thought behind and more to gain from a war but the same instincts and impulses behind the bar fight are ultimately behind nations going to war.

[Al B. Sure!]

What's the difference in human nature between this...



and this...



(yes, I picked your holy and civilized Asians on purpose )

[Al B. Sure!]

And don't get me started on Asian gangs in the US...



Every race is equally violent and crazy.

[Al B. Sure!]

More caught on tape surveillance footage of Asian gang violence:



He shot the hell out of that guy.

[Heraclitus]

So your argument is that I'm claiming no East Asian ever commited any dumb impulsive violent act?


The other one about the nature of violence is much more compelling. I admit I may not have tought that through, I was going on the fact that convicted violent criminals have been shown to have very low future time orientation. Perhaps a high future time orientation just helps you get away with them?

But here I am implicitly spreading a wholly different 1920's stereotype.

[Al B. Sure!]

No my argument is that Asians are not pre-disposed to not engage in violent acts (that was a lot of negatives!). There's no genetic disposition in Asians to be any less violent than any other group and frankly, there's probably no cultural disposition to be any less violent either.

Things like differences in violent crime rates in different countries probably have more to do with political and economic factors. Insofar as those are related to culture, culture has an effect, but the same education/family value system/etc. could exist in modernized, police and court-having England and in Somalia but Somalia will be more violent because that state doesn't have a monopoly on violence as the British government does (not to mention more economic incentives to engage in crime, proliferation of weapons, etc. etc.). Infrastructure basically can trump culture and genetics.

[Elok]

Dude, don't even try persuading Hera. He's like Ben, if Ben had traded in Jesus for an extra helping of racism.

[Heraclitus]

No my argument is that Asians are not pre-disposed to not engage in violent acts (that was a lot of negatives!). There's no genetic disposition in Asians to be any less violent than any other group and frankly, there's probably no cultural disposition to be any less violent either.

Things like differences in violent crime rates in different countries probably have more to do with political and economic factors. Insofar as those are related to culture, culture has an effect, but the same education/family value system/etc. could exist in modernized, police and court-having England and in Somalia but Somalia will be more violent because that state doesn't have a monopoly on violence as the British government does (not to mention more economic incentives to engage in crime, proliferation of weapons, etc. etc.). Infrastructure basically can trump culture and genetics.

I don't think you really tought this through.

As the infrastucture changes I hope you also agree cultural norms will change as well right? And eventually people whith low self control will be selected against in a society where the state has a monopoly on violence?


The South African goverment has tried to train Busmen as herdsmen, it just didn't work because no matter how much time they spent on training them they eventually killed an ate the goats or sheep or whatever at a rate far to fast for the flock to be replenish its numbers. In the very same environment and state other African tribes had no problem raising animals. How can you explain this without culture?

[Heraclitus]

Dude, don't even try persuading Hera. He's like Ben, if Ben had traded in Jesus for an extra helping of racism.

If it turns out that IQ is much less heritable than previously belived, or that humans haven't much changed genetically in the past 200 000 years I would favor a cultural and environmental explanation.

I hold falsifiable beliefs on this subject.


I find it fascinating how so many people however honestly don't belive in God and at the same time think a magic switch went off 40 000 thousand years ago somwhere in our genes "Thine personality and abilites shall change no more!". Sometimes they talk vaguley about "not enough time" but this is the same fallacy people who make a distinction between microevolution and macroevolution.

And we have plenty of genetic evidence inteligence can change under selective pressure on scales of mere centuries. Askenazi Jews carry a host of genetic ilnesses. This can only be explained by trade offs (like sickle cell anemia in malaria infested parts of the world) or a simple genetic bottleneck. But nearly all of the disease primarily change the functioning of various parts of the nervous system, out of all the founder effects possible, what a very odd conincidence. And many of the most common ones are actually correlated with guess what? Higher IQ!

[Al B. Sure!]

The other one about the nature of violence is much more compelling. I admit I may not have tought that through, I was going on the fact that convicted violent criminals have been shown to have very low future time orientation. Perhaps a high future time orientation just helps you get away with them?

That may be true in the sense that the guy that kills someone in America for whatever reason probably was being very hotheaded and didn't weigh in the consequences of getting caught... but it doesn't apply for all the other types of violence like Somali kids killing some villagers. Future time orientation is not even a factor in that situation because well, there are no State consequences and any other consequences, you'd be better off being the one with the AK-47 known for slaughtering villagers than the villager.

[Heraclitus]

Read this again

That may be true in the sense that the guy that kills someone in America for whatever reason probably was being very hotheaded and didn't weigh in the consequences of getting caught... but it doesn't apply for all the other types of violence like Somali kids killing some villagers. Future time orientation is not even a factor in that situation because well, there are no State consequences and any other consequences, you'd be better off being the one with the AK-47 known for slaughtering villagers than the villager.

(let me note that I now agree with you on this)

Now read this

As the infrastucture changes I hope you also agree cultural norms will change as well right? And eventually people whith low self control will be selected against in a society where the state has a monopoly on violence?

Now leaving the question of the time scales and whether there has been enough time for such differences to arise aside would you in principal
agree with me that a state monopoly on violence exerts a selective force for future time orientation?