It's time for another Ask Asher thread

[ColdWizard]

Is it rude for me to refer to Plomp as "Plomp the plomp aapje"?

[Ben Kenobi]

If they're screaming and trying to stop woman that have already made up their mind, yes they are.

First off, we don't scream at anyone. The only ones who do that are the pro abortion folks who usually bring bullhorns to try to shout us out. Some 'pro choice' there.

Secondly, people are either interested or they are not. If they aren't interested, have a nice day, go about your business. If they are, then we talk about whatever they want to talk about.

Thirdly, women who enter the abortion clinic are not necessarily decided. Many have and will continue to change their mind. Some have financial pressures. Others have pressures from boyfriends/husbands/familly which is why they are there. Some have been relieved to blame us for changing their mind.

We try to show them that there is another option.

What, you think a woman isn't going to be hurt by being called a murderer.

Do you think the woman isn't going to remember it for the rest of their life? I've talked with some, dealt with them. It's a pain that you live with that never goes away. I'd rather shock someone to stop them from doing something that will hurt them if that's what it takes.

It's classless, but what we expect from psychos of the faith. You're worse than muslims when you claim the rights you do.

Right. Because we fly planes into WTC killing thousands of innocents. oh wait, they weren't 'true' muslims.

The grim reality is that even on 9-11 more children died in the clinics than in the towers. More die every single day. I think that future generations will ask us, what did you do about it? I want to be able to tell my grandchildren, that this is what I did. I did what I could to change people's hearts and minds.

I think history textbooks will refer to this as the age of abortion, as we refer to slavery, as the establishment of a secondary class of people. While we ask ourselves how abhorrent was the age, we look past what happens today.

Killing their baby has nothing to do with it. The woman has the legal right to do it.

It has everything to do with it. The rights of the child are not superceded by the desires of the mother.

You may not agree but that's the law of the land. Put the effort into changing the law instead of harrassing some woman that is already in a bad spot mentally.

It's not an either/or question. One will save lives today, and the other, lives in the future.

But NO, everyone must agree with you or the law isn't right.

Rah, I believe these children are persons. I believe that we should not kill them. If we leave these children alone, they will grow, develop, be born, and grow up. What immeasurable harm have we incurred as a society through the abortion of 40 million people? The Nazis only managed 7.

You don't get to choose which laws to follow and which ones you don't.

This is true. Dr. MLK went to jail. So do prolifers today. Yet Dr. King envisioned a day where the same racist laws which imprisoned him would release him. And so we dream of a day where similar laws will be erased, and the children will have their chances just as we all have had.

You get to legally protest but you have to keep your distance. I can't think of anything fairer but since you don't agree you think it's ok to break the law. No wonder you defend church punishment when priests break the law and molest children. It's not that big a deal for you.

Then why have I not served my time?

[Ben Kenobi]

Women get abortions without knowing there's a fetus inside them?

Yep. Laws requiring an ultrasound prior to an abortion have been surprisingly effective.

[giblets]

Yep. Laws requiring an ultrasound prior to an abortion have been surprisingly effective.

So pregnant women who have no idea that they're pregnant go to an abortion clinic without knowing they're pregnant and ask for an abortion while being completely unaware of their pregnancy.

[Ben Kenobi]

So pregnant women who have no idea that they're pregnant go to an abortion clinic without knowing they're pregnant and ask for an abortion while being completely unaware of their pregnancy.

They are unaware of what the term 'fetus' actually means until they get a chance to see exactly what a fetus is through the ultrasound.

[giblets]

They are unaware of what the term 'fetus' actually means until they get a chance to see exactly what a fetus is through the ultrasound.

That comes across as rather sexist. You seem to think women are retarded.

[ZEE]

Is it rude for me to refer to Plomp as "Plomp the plomp aapje"?

personally, Plomp has become one of my favorite words to use in various situations.

[Ming]

Not as a proportion.

But they KILL THE MOST BABIES. What's worse... 100,000 murders or 400,000 murders?

It's an argument, but I personally think it's more effective to go after the folks most likely to abort.

You would think you would want to stop more, and that means targeting Catholics, the US leaders in murdering children.

It is against our religion.

Yeah, just think how many more babies catholics would murder.

[Ben Kenobi]

That comes across as rather sexist. You seem to think women are retarded.

It's the truth. It's what I've heard and seen. Many have not seen an ultrasound of their child at 12 weeks prior to when they went into the abortion.

Facts are facts.

Personally, I thought more would know, but I was wrong.

There are many suggestions as to why they are ignorant, and none of them have to do with the women themselves. This is something they should have been taught in school, but the powers that be would prefer for them not to know.

Is keeping them uninformed or lying to young girls sexist?

[Ben Kenobi]

But they KILL THE MOST BABIES. What's worse... 100,000 murders or 400,000 murders?

You are assuming that the proportion of religious faith remains constant across all age groups. I don't think that's true.

You would think you would want to stop more, and that means targeting Catholics, the US leaders in murdering children.

I deal with individuals. Personally, knowing which segments are more likely to abort helps me focus my attention.

[Ming]

You are assuming that the proportion of religious faith remains constant across all age groups. I don't think that's true.

Doesn't matter... the FACTS are very clear. CATHOLICS KILL MORE BABIES THAN ANYBODY ELSE...
THAT'S A FACT!

I deal with individuals. Personally, knowing which segments are more likely to abort helps me focus my attention.

And it let's you ignore the fact that the biggest killers are catholics. Stopping catholics would save the most lives. Why don't you focus on that. You shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house.

[giblets]

It's the truth. It's what I've heard and seen. Many have not seen an ultrasound of their child at 12 weeks prior to when they went into the abortion.

Facts are facts.

Personally, I thought more would know, but I was wrong.

There are many suggestions as to why they are ignorant, and none of them have to do with the women themselves. This is something they should have been taught in school, but the powers that be would prefer for them not to know.

Is keeping them uninformed or lying to young girls sexist?

Are you seriously telling me you think most women don't know what a fetus is. So what if plenty of women have an abortion without seeing an ultrasound? I don't see why someone needs to see an ultrasound to know what a fetus is.

Oh and by the way apparently Catholic women account for 31.3% of abortions in the United States and only a quarter of Americans are Catholics... so you tell me who the fetus killers are.

[Elok]

If they're screaming and trying to stop woman that have already made up their mind, yes they are. What, you think a woman isn't going to be hurt by being called a murderer. It's classless, but what we expect from psychos of the faith. You're worse than muslims when you claim the rights you do.

Killing their baby has nothing to do with it. The woman has the legal right to do it. You may not agree but that's the law of the land. Put the effort into changing the law instead of harrassing some woman that is already in a bad spot mentally. But NO, everyone must agree with you or the law isn't right. You don't get to choose which laws to follow and which ones you don't. You get to legally protest but you have to keep your distance. I can't think of anything fairer but since you don't agree you think it's ok to break the law. No wonder you defend church punishment when priests break the law and molest children. It's not that big a deal for you.

Worse than the muslims. I love it when you heap abuse on them when you're just as bad.

Of course it isn't polite behavior, and not fair. But the way I see it, SCOTUS effectively precluded all attempts to solve the problem legally thirty years ago. That leaves three options afaict:

1. Social pressure, sometimes extremely obnoxious social pressure such as this. Not really effective, just a hindrance, but it might draw attention away from
2. Obnoxious technically-legal solutions, such as selectively applying zoning laws and such to keep any abortion clinics from setting up shop in an area, or asinine laws about ultrasounds that do nothing but impair function. These have already effectively overturned Roe v. Wade; just try setting up a clinic in Nebraska, for example. And then there's the third option,
3. Terrorism. I deplore it, believe all terrorists should receive the maximum penalty short of the DP which I don't believe in, but I can't say it hasn't worked. The constant threat of attacks forces clinics to adopt draconian security measures which impair function still further.

The pro-choice probably would have been much better off if Roe had never happened.

[Al B. Sure!]

Are you seriously telling me you think most women don't know what a fetus is. So what if plenty of women have an abortion without seeing an ultrasound? I don't see why someone needs to see an ultrasound to know what a fetus is.

Oh and by the way apparently Catholic women account for 31.3% of abortions in the United States and only a quarter of Americans are Catholics... so you tell me who the fetus killers are.

Didn't Ben make an argument exactly like this with regards to gays and rape?

CATHOLICS ARE 25.2% MORE LIKELY TO KILL BABIES!!!!

[Flubber]

But how do they prove that the child is yours?

They use DNA. They link the act of you having sex with the woman, getting her pregnant, conceiving a child, with the subsequent birth of said child.

This is why human life, legally, begins at conception. If child support began sometime after birth, what's to stop the mother from naming whomever she wants as the father?

Most epicly stupid post EVER