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    The Supreme Court has ruled that the right to gun ownership applies nationwide. The High Court's decision is a response to a challenge of gun ban in Chicago and one of its suburbs, and comes two years after the justices struck down a law in Washington, D.C. banning possession of handguns.

    The five-to-four decision resulted from a case against the city of Chicago and its suburb of Oak Park. Both have laws that effectively ban handgun possession by almost all private citizens.

    The lead plaintiff in the Chicago case, Otis McDonald, challenged the law after he said criminals broke into his home and made repeated threats.

    "At least the playing fields will be leveled," he said. "I don't have to be concerned about the young dealers and gang-bangers coming in my house, because I believe now that they think twice."

    In 2008, the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self-defense, striking down a Washington, D.C. law that banned the possession of handguns in the home.

    Monday's ruling said that right applies also to state and local gun control laws.

    Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said he expects criminals convicted of gun charges to use Monday's ruling to challenge their convictions.

    But the court offered little guidance on what type of gun control can be allowed.

    "But even though we're going to see a lot more lawsuits, I remain very confident that most of those gun laws are going to be quickly upheld," Helmke said.

    Chicago Mayor Richard Daley said guns in the home - even for self-defense - kill innocent people. "I don't think America should be known for 'we could kill more people than any other nation.' We love to kill, we can kill overseas, we export more guns than anybody else, and we buy more guns than anybody else, and ammunition," Daley said. "That should not be known as a great country."

    In issuing its ruling, the Supreme Court sent the case back to Chicago for a lower court to issue the final decision, so the gun ban remains temporarily in effect.

    Mayor Daley says the city will rewrite its gun ordinance to comply with Second Amendment rights, but he offered no explanation of how that might be achieved.


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    What?

    The Fourteenth Amendment provides a broad definition of citizenship, overruling the decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857), which held that blacks could not be citizens of the United States.
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    • #3
      From your same article:

      Its Due Process Clause has been used to make most of the Bill of Rights applicable to the states.
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      • #4
        Yankystanis proud of the reason they have the highest murder rate of the world - best solution to problem : nuke the **** from orbit
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        • #5
          Yeah, but by and large the people getting murdered are the riffraff of society. Not all, but the majority.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by David Floyd View Post
                Yeah, but by and large the people getting murdered are the riffraff of society. Not all, but the majority.
                Well, if that's the case, I don't see any reason to persecute murderers - they after all seem to do good to the society. If you stopped that you could quickly become a much better society, so you should probably encourage it
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
                  Yankystanis proud of the reason they have the highest murder rate of the world - best solution to problem : nuke the **** from orbit
                  Er, that's totally false.

                  Regardless, gun control is not actually proven to be effective at all.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                    Regardless, gun control is not actually proven to be effective at all.
                    How do you aim properly without gun control?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                      Er, that's totally false.

                      Regardless, gun control is not actually proven to be effective at all.
                      It really depends how blind you're willing to be, I suppose.

                      The problem with your argument is there's no study that can exist in a vacuum. Canada's rate of gun violence is a tiny, tiny fraction of the USA's. There's a million excuses to make this fact go away the pro-gun lobby uses, but none of them really make sense.

                      Go walk the streets of Scarborough where I live and tell me just how different it is from your average American city culturally...the differences in culture are vastly overstated between the two countries. Gun control in Canada plays a huge part in the lowered rate of gun violence.

                      And if you actually think about it, what kind of ****** would insist keeping more guns out of public hands would not reduce gun violence rates? Apparently, most Americans. It's bizarre.
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                      • #12
                        There is precisely one valid argument against gun control in the USA: The right to bear arms is in the constitution.

                        It's only valid because the premise is true. Whether it's GOOD is the question. I think the dramatic rates of gun violence in the USA unequivocally proves you're simply doing **** wrong. Whether it's how the country manages its poverty levels or whether it's how the country manages its guns, you're obviously doing it wrong.

                        But it's the pro-gun crowd that is, by and large, also unwilling to help fight poverty.

                        Such people don't seem to mind your obscene rates of violence. American morality?
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                        • #13
                          Frankly, I do not at all see the point in owning a firearm. I guess others feel the need to compensate. Big men on campus.
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                          • #14
                            Frankly, I do not at all see the point in owning a firearm.



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                            • #15
                              I've got a magnum already. Just make it legal for me to use that badboy on the streets. Just as good as a deterrent as a gun.

                              (I originally had 9mm instead of gun, but that would be too easy...)
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