Christianity ruins families.

[MrFun]

The Crusaders weren't an offensive force, they were defensive. They fought to retake lands conquered by the Muslims.

head hurts now

[rah]

Do truly religious people, of any faith, frequent strip clubs, sex toy stores, and prostitutes?

That seems to be the standard for republican congressmen.
And note that I consider myself a republican.

[Al B. Sure!]

Any Christian in the Levant after who refused to pay the Jiziyah.

These were Christian lands, Albert. Muslims still persecute Christians there. It's never stopped.

The Crusaders weren't an offensive force, they were defensive. They fought to retake lands conquered by the Muslims.

How can one justify Jihad, and attack Crusaders for defending themselves and their fellow Christians?

1) Christians were slaughtered by Crusaders... Byzantium 1204?
2) Christian lands?! Who says? The Christians took it from the pagan Romans who took it from the Greeks who took it from the Persians who took it from the Babylonians who took it from the Israelites who took it from the Canaanites who took it from...
3) Defensive? Yes, because you travel hundreds of miles over seas in defensive wars.

[giblets]

I once believed this, but as I have examined the situation more carefully, this isn't the case. Islam believes and is committed to Jihad. Look at Theo van Gogh. They are committed to the imposition of Sharia law.

Bush was wrong. 9-11 isn't an isolated case. It's merely the capstone.

Just like the catholic church is committed to raping little boys... oh wait, that's stupid.

[Al B. Sure!]

So you deny that Jihad is an essential teaching of Islam?

Do truly religious people, of any faith, frequent strip clubs, sex toy stores, and prostitutes?

[Al B. Sure!]

Any Christian in the Levant after who refused to pay the Jiziyah.

These were Christian lands, Albert. Muslims still persecute Christians there. It's never stopped.

Huh? Mohammad was still in Medina in 629. Yarmouk was controlled by Heraclitus at that point in history.

[giblets]

I remember in the years following 9/11 there were Christians in America who advocated invading muslim countries and converting them to Christianity, nuking muslim countries, etc. I guess I should judge all Christians because of what a few extremists think.

[Ben Kenobi]

What slaughter of innocents occurred at Yarmouk in 629, Ben?

Any Christian in the Levant after who refused to pay the Jiziyah.

These were Christian lands, Albert. Muslims still persecute Christians there. It's never stopped.

The Crusaders weren't an offensive force, they were defensive. They fought to retake lands conquered by the Muslims.

How can one justify Jihad, and attack Crusaders for defending themselves and their fellow Christians?

[Ben Kenobi]

islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others. Ours is a country based upon tolerance, Mr. Secretary General, and we respect the faith and we welcome people of all faiths in America, and we’re not going to let the war on terror or terrorists cause us to change our values.” -George Bush, speaking to U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan

I once believed this, but as I have examined the situation more carefully, this isn't the case. Islam believes and is committed to Jihad. Look at Theo van Gogh. They are committed to the imposition of Sharia law.

Bush was wrong. 9-11 isn't an isolated case. It's merely the capstone.

[Al B. Sure!]

Yarmouk, 629.

Que?

[Ben Kenobi]

Yes, these were really religious people

So you deny that Jihad is an essential teaching of Islam?

[Ben Kenobi]

Jerusalem, 1099. Deus Vult!
Church of St. Mary Magdalene, 1209. Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius!

Yarmouk, 629.

[Al B. Sure!]

Let's get real here and note the political motivations, rather than the purely religious motivations, of the Al Qaeda terrorists.

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091101beforepinkpony

Hijackers Hamza Alghamdi and Marwan Alshehhi make two purchases of “pornographic video and sex toys” from a Florida store. They spend $252.17 on videos and toys at Video Outlet in Deerfield Beach on July 4, then return on July 27 and spend another $183.22. [FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION, 10/2001, PP. 176, 178, 196, 198 ]

In the days before the attacks, some of the hijackers (including Waleed Alshehri and/or Wail Alshehri) apparently sleep with prostitutes in Boston hotel rooms, or at least try to do so. A driver working at an “escort service” used by the hijackers claims he regularly drove prostitutes to a relative of bin Laden about once a week until 9/11, when the relative disappeared. Bin Laden has several relatives in the Boston area, most or all of whom returned to Saudi Arabia right after 9/11. [BOSTON HERALD, 10/10/2001] On September 7, two female escorts are sent to “Arab men” in the Park Inn, Boston. One of the escorts will later say that a photo of Satam Al Suqami looks “very familiar.” [FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION, 10/2001, PP. 264 ] On September 10, four other hijackers in Boston (Marwan Alshehhi, Fayez Ahmed Banihammad, Mohand Alshehri, and Satam Al Suqami) call around to find prostitutes to sleep with on their last night alive, but in the end decline. Says one official, “It was going to be really expensive and they couldn’t come to a consensus on price, so that was the end of it… Either they thought it was too extravagant [over $400] or they did not have enough money left.” [BOSTON GLOBE, 10/10/2001]

After returning to the US for the fifth time, 9/11 hijacker Ziad Jarrah flies immediately to Jacksonville, Florida, where he stays at the Ramada Inn for a week. He had previously visited Jacksonville (see January 22-26, 2001), as had Mohamed Atta and Marwan Alshehhi (see (October 2000)). While in Jacksonville, he frequents Wacko’s strip club. A worker there will later say that the FBI comes to the club after 9/11 to ask questions and show pictures “of the 9/11 terrorists,” and a dancer recognizes Jarrah from a photo line-up. The information about the hotel stay will be discovered by First Coast News in summer 2004 and they will offer to share it with the FBI. The local office will originally agree to meet the reporters, but then cancel at the last minute, saying that the cancellation had been ordered by their superiors at the Justice Department due to a possible impact on the Zacarias Moussaoui trial. First Coast News will comment, “Questions still remain as to what Jarrah was doing in Jacksonville.” [FIRST COAST NEWS, 8/24/2004; US DISTRICT COURT FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA, ALEXANDRIA DIVISION, 7/31/2006, PP. 5, 22 ]

Yes, these were really religious people

[giblets]

Even someone as stupid as George W. Bush knew better than to blame 9/11 on islam as a whole.

“Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others. Ours is a country based upon tolerance, Mr. Secretary General, and we respect the faith and we welcome people of all faiths in America, and we’re not going to let the war on terror or terrorists cause us to change our values.” -George Bush, speaking to U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan

[Al B. Sure!]

WTC, 9-11-2001. allahu akhbar

Jerusalem, 1099. Deus Vult!
Church of St. Mary Magdalene, 1209. Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius!