16-Year-Old Sailor Feared Lost at Sea

[Ben Kenobi]

If you define socialist as someone who believes the government should be as small and efficient as possible while leaving subsidies.

Says the man who supports welfare, OAP, and socialist health care. And who won't spare a dime for the rich ***** and her toy.

Let her die. She deserved it because she was stupid enough to get herself in this bind.

Classic socialist thinking. Let her die, and use the money to feed the poor. Sounds like Judas, no?

Here I am, coming from a family filled with oil money and making a ton of money myself...and you think I hate rich people? Really, that's the direction you're coming from?

Sure. I'm amused you are so envious of people who have more money then you.

Meanwhile, you're the data entry clerk living in mommy's basement in the middle of a small town?

If I'm poor, shouldn't I be more envious of this girl? Shouldn't I want to stick it to the rich *****?

Let me let you in on a little secret, Asher. People who have money don't have a need to brag about how much they are making.

Here you go again. I don't know how many ****ing times you need to read it to sink in: NO ONE ADVOCATED LEAVING HER TO DIE. I HAVE EXPLICITLY SAID SHE SHOULD BE RESCUED. Then billed for the costs.

But if it came out of your pocket, you'd rather see her rot and die.

You really, really should get banned from this site for **** like this. You are intentionally misrepresenting the positions of posters repeatedly for the purposes of trying to defame their character.

Something really should be done. You are a sack of ****.

Hey, I asked a question and you said that if it came out of your own pocket, that you'd rather see her die than rescued. That's a quote. You hate rich *****es and their toys. Your term, not mine, Asher.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yes, there are many private companies trained in ship rescue. Oil companies charter with them all the time for contracts on off-shore rigs.

Keep in mind in this case all they've gotta do is send a ****ing boat up next to her and pull her in.

Leaving out the fact that they are 2000 miles from shore.

You are right that there are many companies trained in ship rescues. But they aren't there where she is. That's the problem.

Anyways, from what I see Quantas isn't going to charge her a penny. Free enterprise, Asher. They have a right to decline payment.

[Asher]

Says the man who supports welfare, OAP, and socialist health care. And who won't spare a dime for the rich ***** and her toy.

I support a lot of things that could be considered socialist, because I do value human life unless a person decides not to value their own.

I do support universal healthcare, because I don't want people to die just because they are poor and lack insurance, like you want.

I don't even know what OAP is so I don't know how you think I support that. If it's anything like CPP, no I don't support it. I have explicitly said something even a week or two ago about how retirement should be someone's personal responsibility. I don't expect to get a dime from CPP, others shouldn't either.

Let her die. She deserved it because she was stupid enough to get herself in this bind.

Classic socialist thinking. Let her die, and use the money to feed the poor. Sounds like Judas, no?

No, I never said let her die. The government is to rescue her, then bill her the costs because it was a stupid personal risk. I've said this at least half a dozen times now, the fact that you are deaf doesn't excuse you from not ****ing reading.

Sure. I'm amused you are so envious of people who have more money then you.

Yeah, that's exactly what this is.

Let me let you in on a little secret, Asher. People who have money don't have a need to brag about how much they are making.

No one said they did. We all know you have no money though. Otherwise you wouldn't be making data entry clerk wages and living at home. You are an abject failure at life -- no spouse, no child, no career, no house, no love, no true friends, and no intelligence.


But if it came out of your pocket, you'd rather see her rot and die.

Hey, I asked a question and you said that if it came out of your own pocket, that you'd rather see her die than rescued. That's a quote. You hate rich *****es and their toys. Your term, not mine, Asher.

That is not a quote. You are lying.

I don't hate rich *****es and their toys. You are lying.

I said I wouldn't pay a million dollars out of my own pocket to save her. This is because it's not my responsibility to save her, it's the government's. The government should save her, then bill her the costs. How many ****ing times do you need to read that?

As for her, I just said she's a rich ***** with an expensive toy. She is. Doesn't mean she deserves to die for it, doesn't mean I hate her for it, it just means that if daddy can buy her a $100K boat, daddy can pay for her rescue.

[Asher]

Leaving out the fact that they are 2000 miles from shore.

You are right that there are many companies trained in ship rescues. But they aren't there where she is. That's the problem.

Anyways, from what I see Quantas isn't going to charge her a penny. Free enterprise, Asher. They have a right to decline payment.

God ****ing damnit you are one stupid ****ing degenerate.

There are many private companies around the world with boats capable of rescuing her.

Of course I am right. You were ****ing wrong to say there weren't.

[Ben Kenobi]

Actually, she's only 300 kms from shore.

She's almost 300kms due south from Ile St. Paul in the Southern Indian Ocean. That's the nearest landfall to her.

[Asher]

2000 miles, 300km...what's the difference, right?

[Ben Kenobi]

I support a lot of things that could be considered socialist

Which makes you a socialist.

because I do value human life unless a person decides not to value their own.

Yeah, right. Which is why you wouldn't help this girl out if it were up to you. You're a-ok with 'helping' her provided it ain't on your dime. Such compassion.

I do support universal healthcare, because I don't want people to die just because they are poor and lack insurance, like you want.

You just want people to die because your ideology tells you it's better that everyone suffer rather then some getting better treatment then others.

I don't even know what OAP

Old Age Pension. Are you really so dim?

No, I never said let her die

You said, let her die, unless someone else is willing to pick up the tab.

No one said they did. We all know you have no money though. Otherwise you wouldn't be making data entry clerk wages and living at home. You are an abject failure at life -- no spouse, no child, no career, no house, no love, no true friends, and no intelligence.

I said I wouldn't pay a million dollars out of my own pocket to save her. This is because it's not my responsibility to save her, it's the government's.

Hell yeah!

Says it all. Thank you asher.

[Ben Kenobi]

2000 miles, 300km...what's the difference, right?

If you can find that she's 300kms from the nearest landfall reported anywhere else, be my guest.

I did some digging.

[Asher]

And it's the government's responsibility to the recoup the cost of saving her, since she made a choice to put herself at great risk for personal reasons.

Same thing for the idiots who ski out of bounds and get lost or trapped in an avalanche. The government should save them, but the idiots are to be responsible for all rescue costs.

[Ben Kenobi]

Of course I am right. You were ****ing wrong to say there weren't.

Did you miss the part where the Australian government said:

"We expect nations to rescue Australian sailors in their own waters. This is our responsibility to ensure that she is returned safely."

[Asher]

I find it fascinating you refuse to have the government pay literally to save someone's life, but here you are happy to have the government pay any sum of money to rescue this girl, even though there are private methods of rescue available to her wealthy family.

[Asher]

Did you miss the part where the Australian government said:

Did you miss the part where I said it is the government's responsibility?

I was just taking issue with your false claim that no private company can save anyone at sea.

The problem is who pays for it. The government's efforts should be recouped. The government is not a fountain of free money.

[Ben Kenobi]

Same thing for the idiots who ski out of bounds and get lost or trapped in an avalanche. The government should save them, but the idiots are to be responsible for all rescue costs.

Australia begs to differ. They expect reciprocal treatment of their own sailors. No charge.

You are aware that this young lady has sailed nearly 8 months already?

I would greatly disagree with your characterisation of her as an idiot. She's a helluva sailor.

[Asher]

I guess seeing as you don't make any income, you don't really care how much tax money is spent on things.

When you start making money, Ben, and you start seeing how much the government takes from you...perhaps you'll understand why so many people don't like the government spending large sums of money on subsidizing an individual's stupidity.

[Asher]

Australia begs to differ. They expect reciprocal treatment of their own sailors. No charge.

You are aware that this young lady has sailed nearly 8 months already?

I would greatly disagree with your characterisation of her as an idiot. She's a helluva sailor.

I have yet to see anything where Australia says they do not expect compensation for the money spent.

They have a responsibility to save her, but not to pay for the costs ultimately.

It ultimately would not surprise me if Australia did not request payment, because they are perhaps the dumbest government of any developed nation. As we've established on this site many times.