16-Year-Old Sailor Feared Lost at Sea

[DaShi]

He'd leave you to die too.

[Asher]

Ben, how can you honestly believe your statement of valuing people over money is true when you don't support ****ing universal health care?

You make people dying of cancer saddle their families with massive, unreasonable debts in a bid to stay alive, and pretend to care about people.

Then when some rich ***** decides to go set a record to one-up her brother by sailing around the world in rough seas, you're willing to throw a million dollars of your personal money to rescue her?

**** you for your stupidity.

[Asher]

Saying that you'd leave her die is anti-youth.

I explicitly said I'd rescue her, then her bill & her family for the rescue. Your strawmen are offensive and predictable. Find a new trick.

[Asher]

Your statement about private health care being more effective is also WTFstupid.

Look at how much care costs for specific treatments in Canada vs the USA. The USA is ridiculously overpriced. It's not effective.

Look at life expectancy. Canada is higher. Your claim that private healthcare saves more lives is absurd.

I accept your apology for your strawmen.

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben, how can you honestly believe your statement of valuing people over money is true when you don't support ****ing universal health care?

Because I believe that universal health care is ****.

You make people dying of cancer saddle their families with massive, unreasonable debts in a bid to stay alive, and pretend to care about people.

I believe that it's better they have the opportunity to receive care than to sit on a waiting list and die quietly.

Then when some rich ***** decides to go set a record to one-up her brother by sailing around the world in rough seas, you're willing to throw a million dollars of your personal money to rescue her?

When you've had contact with them, have reasonable suspicion that they are alive? Hell yeah.

WTF does it matter if she's rich or poor. You're a ****ing socialist, asher.

[Asher]

Is there a private business that could rescue her without government support? Yes or no?

Yes. They didn't even use government resources to rescue her, they chartered a ****ing Quantas A330.

[Ben Kenobi]

Look at how much care costs for specific treatments in Canada vs the USA. The USA is ridiculously overpriced. It's not effective.

I'm well aware of the US health care system. And on a cost by cost basis, they receive more bang for their buck than we do.

Yes, they spend more, but they also get more, and they also get timely treatment. Would you pay more if it meant getting treated now, instead of in 6 months?

Look at life expectancy. Canada is higher. Your claim that private healthcare saves more lives is absurd.

Well sure, we send people to the US for treatment.

Our life expectancy is in spite of, not because of our health care system.

[Asher]

When you've had contact with them, have reasonable suspicion that they are alive? Hell yeah.

WTF does it matter if she's rich or poor. You're a ****ing socialist, asher.

It doesn't matter if she's rich or poor. Either way she should pay.

But the fact that she IS RICH is what enabled her to embark on this stupidity.

Why the **** should American taxpayers pay for the rescue because some rich girl on her expensive toy needed a rescue?

Many people are dying without health care in your country, others are malnourished and not getting 3 square meals a day, and you'd rather send $1M to rescue her than help them.

And here you are calling me a socialist. ME. I'm advocating that the government be reimbursed for the costs of having to subsidize someone's stupid behaviour, you're acting like money is not object when it comes to subsidizing people. And I'm the ****ing socialist?

God damnit, Ben, you are so ****ing stupid.

[Asher]

I'm well aware of the US health care system. And on a cost by cost basis, they receive more bang for their buck than we do.

LOL. God.

Compare the price for how much it costs to stay overnight for observation in Canada vs the USA.

Stupid.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yes. They didn't even use government resources to rescue her, they chartered a ****ing Quantas A330

Are you a ****ing idiot?

They've got a boat headed out there. Still about a day or so out from her last position.

Did the Quantas jet beam her up from the boat?

[Asher]

Are you saying there are no private boats that can be chartered?

The government chartered a private airplane to find her. There are MANY private boats available for charter.

YES, the answer to your question is YES there are private companies that can rescue her.

Big government. Your support for big government.

Typical ****ing Republican.

[Ben Kenobi]

It doesn't matter if she's rich or poor.

Yeah right. She's a rich *****. That's why you brought it up.

You're a socialist Asher.

Why the **** should American taxpayers pay for the rescue because some rich girl on her expensive toy needed a rescue?

WTF does it matter? Again, this is socialist thinking, Asher. Why do you hate rich people?

Many people are dying without health care in your country, others are malnourished and not getting 3 square meals a day, and you'd rather send $1M to rescue her than help them.

Yeah, Canada's a dump. Leaving her to die is going to feed the hungry and house the poor.

And here you are calling me a socialist. ME. I'm advocating that the government be reimbursed for the costs of having to subsidize someone's stupid behaviour, you're acting like money is not object when it comes to subsidizing people. And I'm the ****ing socialist?

You're the socialist because you believe that people should die because they are rich and they deserve it.

[Ben Kenobi]

The government chartered a private airplane to find her. There are MANY private boats available for charter.

Are you retarded or something Asher?

She was 40 hours from the nearest boat. 40 hours!

YES there are private companies that can rescue her.

There's a boat out there. That's all there is asher. This isn't a 'rescue company'. This is a shipper. Are you suggesting that the boat is trained to rescue people? Is this how they make money?

[Asher]

Yeah right. She's a rich *****. That's why you brought it up.

You're a socialist Asher.

If you define socialist as someone who believes the government should be as small and efficient as possible while not subsidizing people on a personal basis because they chose to take personal risks.

WTF does it matter? Again, this is socialist thinking, Asher. Why do you hate rich people?

Here I am, coming from a family filled with oil money and making a ton of money myself...and you think I hate rich people? Really, that's the direction you're coming from?

Meanwhile, you're the data entry clerk living in mommy's basement in the middle of a small town?

Yeah, Canada's a dump. Leaving her to die is going to feed the hungry and house the poor.

Here you go again. I don't know how many ****ing times you need to read it to sink in: NO ONE ADVOCATED LEAVING HER TO DIE. I HAVE EXPLICITLY SAID SHE SHOULD BE RESCUED. Then billed for the costs.

You're the socialist because you believe that people should die because they are rich and they deserve it.

You really, really should get banned from this site for **** like this. You are intentionally misrepresenting the positions of posters repeatedly for the purposes of trying to defame their character.

Something really should be done. You are a sack of ****.

[Asher]

Are you retarded or something Asher?

She was 40 hours from the nearest boat. 40 hours!

Uhhh...the distance she is from a boat doesn't mean a boat cannot be chartered.

She's got 2+ weeks of food and she's got a heater.

There's a boat out there. That's all there is asher. This isn't a 'rescue company'. This is a shipper. Are you suggesting that the boat is trained to rescue people? Is this how they make money?

Yes, there are many private companies trained in ship rescue. Oil companies charter with them all the time for contracts on off-shore rigs.

Keep in mind in this case all they've gotta do is send a ****ing boat up next to her and pull her in.