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  • #61
    Originally posted by ricketyclik View Post
    No. Oil prevents us from using renewables. It's oil's fault.


    Yeah, oil companies sells their products with loss to prevent use of renevables
    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by ricketyclik View Post
      Oil and coal were the first cabs off the rank at the beginning of the industrial revolution, and so have market dominance, as well as massive economies of scale after centuries of investment in their discovery, extraction and distribution.
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      • #63
        ricketyclik, oil/coal has only the influence they have because there are no alternatives - currently we have 20 % WE though it's more like 12 in reality) tbh. I can't really see coal/oil dissapear for the next 30-40 years despite fanatic claims.
        With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

        Steven Weinberg

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        • #64
          Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
          ricketyclik, oil/coal has only the influence they have because there are no alternatives - currently we have 20 % WE though it's more like 12 in reality) tbh. I can't really see coal/oil dissapear for the next 30-40 years despite fanatic claims.

          No, I can't see it going anywhere either. But not because it couldn't be. Australia just spent billions of dollars on an economic stimulus package. The primary aim of the expenditure was to get money in to the economy. What if all of that money had been spent on solar thermal power plants? Most of our domestic energy consumption would be non-emitting by now.

          Why wasn't it? The idea was put forward. The money would still be in the economy. No satisfactory answer was given.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
            ... despite fanatic claims.

            Do you really think that assuming one of the richest, most powerful and entrenched industries on the planet will protect its interests is fanatical?

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            • #66
              Oh, lord this is silly.
              12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
              Stadtluft Macht Frei
              Killing it is the new killing it
              Ultima Ratio Regum

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Wezil View Post
                On that I can agree with you. People in big ass vehicles generally annoy me, particularly since most of them can't even handle a large vehicle in the first place (much less need one). It makes my day when I can sit and wait forever for some idiot to park their SUV.
                Exactly!

                BP = wake up call for the US!

                As for the distances being vast, maybe Canada can get away with that sort of assertion, but the US cannot. Sure the US is a huge country, but unless your job specifically requires you to travel hundreds of miles every day, then it's a crap argument. As for the weather etc, there's various kinds of insulation for the cold and natural ventilation methods for the heat...

                America from an energy POV is built on inefficiency, profligacy and just plain fat-assed bone idle laziness...
                Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by ricketyclik View Post
                  Do you really think that assuming one of the richest, most powerful and entrenched industries on the planet will protect its interests is fanatical?
                  No offense, but the fanatical was on the VE side.
                  With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                  Steven Weinberg

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by MOBIUS View Post
                    Exactly!

                    BP = wake up call for the US!

                    As for the distances being vast, maybe Canada can get away with that sort of assertion, but the US cannot. Sure the US is a huge country, but unless your job specifically requires you to travel hundreds of miles every day, then it's a crap argument. As for the weather etc, there's various kinds of insulation for the cold and natural ventilation methods for the heat...

                    America from an energy POV is built on inefficiency, profligacy and just plain fat-assed bone idle laziness...
                    Public transit isn't a realistically viable option for commutes unless you live in a high-density population area.

                    You've obviously never lived in a city where busses come every 30 minutes (every hour in off-peak times), then take a 15 min bus ride to a train station where you wait 15 minutes to take a train 30 minutes to transfer to another bus which comes every 30mins/1hour. All in -30C weather.

                    With a car you can get there in under 30 minutes.

                    (Note: This was a realistic transit scenario between my house and my SO's house for years)
                    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                    • #70
                      And going along with what Asher said, the price of public transit tokens and transfers often (combined with the value of your time) make it more expensive than driving. (plus add in the cost of transit subsidies from your tax dollars)

                      Base fare for a bus in Philly is $2.00 one way plus $0.75 for a transfer.

                      And regional rail tickets can cost as much as $9.00 one way.
                      "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                      "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Albert Speer View Post
                        And going along with what Asher said, the price of public transit tokens and transfers often mean it's more expensive than driving.
                        I very much doubt that when you factor in insurance costs + car capital costs + maintenance costs + gas costs...

                        I can get unlimited public transit in Toronto for $100/mo. My car insurance alone with a perfect record and being insured constantly and driving constantly for 10-years (since I was 16) is $250/mo in Toronto. Not to mention gas, maintenance, and how much it cost to begin with.
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Prince Asher View Post
                          Does Oil jump in your way when you try to use a renewal?

                          In Australia (and I therefore assume other countries) they argue that it is unfair if we either impose a non-renewable premium on their tax rate, a carbon tax, or subsidise the development of renewable infrastructure*. And, of course, they are big contributors to the major political parties.

                          As far as governments go, it's far easier to tax something being consumed than a renewable.

                          * Despite having been hugely subsidised when they were setting up.

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                          • #73
                            Why would it be fair to tax them more just because you don't like them?

                            You have a twisted sense of fairness in Australia, nanny nazi state of the 21st century. A model for every country of what NOT to be.
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • #74
                              Asher:

                              Note my amendments to the post (combined with the value of your time and the cost of transit subsidies from your tax dollars)
                              "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                              "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                              • #75
                                The more I learn about Australia the less I like it.
                                12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                                Stadtluft Macht Frei
                                Killing it is the new killing it
                                Ultima Ratio Regum

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