Ships to Gaza incident

[MOBIUS]

[Kuciwalker]

While I've already stated I don't think the issue of the boarding action happening in international waters is especially pertinent, I do think that if Israel had waited until they were in their own waters, at that point they would have been able to organise and perform a far more cogent assault that disabled the activists without the unfortunate loss of life, especially given that the "law" would have been on their side there, giving them a wider berth to do as they saw fit without having to worry so much about the international reaction.

Sure, which means you agree with me completely, since none of that hinges particularly on where the actual line is and whether they had crossed it.

[MOBIUS]

Except that Israel lost any moral high ground of waiting until the ships were in officially recognised Israeli controlled waters - not to mention waiting until daylight.

[Kuciwalker]

The moral right to kill 9 innocent people doesn't come from lines on a map, and if you think it does you're a monster.

[Wezil]

Yesterday in Brussels there was a pro israeli demonstration.

The demonstrators deplored the fact that Israel was condemned as guilty before even an investigation had taken place (I can follow) and they hoped everyone would show restraint and sound judgement when looking at this case...

I mean, WTF ??? Restraint and sound judgement ??? I spilled my coffee and almost burned one of my balls of when I heard this.

Would that be the investigation Israel is opposed to?

[MrFun]

I blame Israel for burned balls.

[Al B. Sure!]

Interesting that KH is complementing Kuci on an improvement in his 'moral sense'. KH is hardly a beacon of morality.

[Sprayber]

Except that Israel lost any moral high ground of waiting until the ships were in officially recognised Israeli controlled waters - not to mention waiting until daylight.

I didn't think there was any moral high ground left to lose in the entire Middle East.

[MOBIUS]

The moral right to kill 9 innocent people doesn't come from lines on a map, and if you think it does you're a monster.

There is never a moral right to kill innocent people - and you're calling me a monster...!?

The state of Israel is built on the blood of the innocent people it murders on a routine basis - seriously, that only 9 died this time is frankly restraint from their point of view...

[Hauldren Collider]

You are invalidly assuming that these people were innocent. Perhaps I shouldn't even bother arguing with you at this point but a) we've already established israel was allowed to board the ships and given a, we can conclude b) israel's soldiers were justified in defending themselves during the boarding action if it is true that they were mobbed by the passengers, and it seems pretty clear at this point that they were. The only moral question here is whether Israel has a right to defend itself with a blockade of Gaza and the people who actually matter--the US congress--seems to have already made up its mind.

[MrFun]

Let's remember that Israel is not really an independent country. It depends on subsidization from United States.

[Hauldren Collider]

Um, then neither is South Korea.

[Al B. Sure!]

Let's remember that Israel is not really an independent country. It depends on subsidization from United States.

To the tune of $10 million a day!

[rah]

You would think that would buy some cooperation.

[Hauldren Collider]

That's pretty much toilet paper in the world of federal expenditures.