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  • #661
    Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
    No I actually think they did the actual right thing here too.
    Murdering 9 people is the right thing?

    It's never the right thing.

    It was entirely avoidable. It was not the right thing.

    You are an evil person if you think they did the right thing.
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    • #662
      Originally posted by Prince Asher View Post
      Remember the Americans are the ones who called for the entire ship of 500 souls to be sunk simply for being enroute to Gaza.
      Oerdin's a liberal, and therefore not a Real American(TM)
      If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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      • #663
        Originally posted by Prince Asher View Post
        Murdering 9 people is the right thing?

        It's never the right thing.

        It was entirely avoidable. It was not the right thing.

        You are an evil person if you think they did the right thing.
        I think israel has a right to defend itself, they are on a defensive war, and if 10 burglars showed up at my house and I killed all ten in my defense, it wouldn't have been an evil thing even though if I hadn't only one person would have died.
        If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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        • #664
          Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
          Oerdin's a liberal, and therefore not a Real American(TM)
          The point, one you've clearly missed, is not to attribute the action of some people to an entire nation.

          Oerdin is a liberal, and if he thought that, I can only imagine what Republicans were thinking.
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          • #665
            Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
            I think israel has a right to defend itself
            It becomes offense, not defense, when you attack people outside your borders.

            , and if 10 burglars showed up at my house and I killed all ten in my defense, it wouldn't have been an evil thing even though if I hadn't only one person would have died.
            A more apt analogy is if you went out to the street and killed 10 guys because they were heading towards your house.

            It would be just as evil as what Israel did here.
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            • #666
              Originally posted by notyoueither View Post
              I'm not inclined to put much faith in an explanation that repeats inaccuracies.
              the Mavi Marmara, a Turkish vessel


              MV Mavi Marmara - Wikipedia
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Mavi_Marmara

              MV Mavi Marmara (English: Blue Marmara) is a Comoros-flagged [7] passenger ship
              Christ you're such a douche...!!!
              Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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              • #667
                Originally posted by Prince Asher View Post
                It becomes offense, not defense, when you attack people outside your borders.
                It's called pre-emptive best way to do it

                And we've been over the whole international waters bull**** already, when are you going to figure that out?
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                • #668
                  Originally posted by Prince Asher View Post
                  It becomes offense, not defense, when you attack people outside your borders.


                  A more apt analogy is if you went out to the street and killed 10 guys because they were heading towards your house.

                  It would be just as evil as what Israel did here.
                  If they were gonna try to rob me, sure, no problem with it at all
                  If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                  • #669
                    Originally posted by Prince Asher View Post
                    Oh, come on, nye.

                    It was a Turkish-built ship. It was flagged in Comoros. But it was purchased (and operated) by a TURKISH CHARITY at the time of its raiding.

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IHH_%28..._Vakf%C4%B1%29

                    The nationality of a ship is that of its flag. This is a bit of an issue as the Turks and some others are trying to make it one.

                    Its manufacture and nationality of owners are irrelevant.
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                    • #670
                      Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                      If they were gonna try to rob me, sure, no problem with it at all
                      It really is easy to win debates when the opponents reveal themselves to be immense douchebags.
                      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                      • #671
                        Originally posted by notyoueither View Post
                        The nationality of a ship is that of its flag. This is a bit of an issue as the Turks and some others are trying to make it one.

                        Its manufacture and nationality of owners are irrelevant.
                        You're engaging in Kuci-levels of semantic douchebaggery right now.

                        When that high school sailing ship sunk off the coast of Brazil, all the media called it a Canadian ship. It wasn't flagged in Canada, it was flagged in the Bahamas. It was just owned by and operated by and contained Canadians. Just like the Turkish ship here.
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                        • #672
                          You're engaging in Kuci-levels of semantic douchebaggery right now.


                          Precisely the opposite. He is insisting on the letter of the law to the same degree you are.

                          Of course, he's just as much of a tool as you are, too.

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                          • #673
                            Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
                            You're engaging in Kuci-levels of semantic douchebaggery right now.


                            Precisely the opposite. He is insisting on the letter of the law to the same degree you are.

                            Of course, he's just as much of a tool as you are, too.
                            You think the place a ship is attacked is inconsequential, I strongly disagree.

                            On the other hand, the place of registry of a ship really is inconsequential. It means nothing aside from who you pay your fees to.
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                            • #674
                              You think the place a ship is attacked is inconsequential, I strongly disagree.


                              Yet you are unable to point to a material consequence of the fact that Israel attacked it slightly earlier than they were supposed to.

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                              • #675
                                Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post

                                Yet you are unable to point to a material consequence of the fact that Israel attacked it slightly earlier than they were supposed to.
                                The presence of a material consequence is not necessary for a law to be violated and people to be upset by it.

                                Stealing the property of a dead man with no next of kin is still stealing, for instance. No material consequence, I suppose that means it's a-okay for you?
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                                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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