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Germany couldn't even cross the English Channel. Now you have them crossing the Atlantic?
I'm not one of the resident history buffs here. I just figured that would be Hitler's next move in that situation, given what I know of his attitude towards practicality. Firepower disparities and such, I leave to you folks.
I'm not one of the resident history buffs here. I just figured that would be Hitler's next move in that situation, given what I know of his attitude towards practicality. Firepower disparities and such, I leave to you folks.
What do you know about his "attitude towards practicality"?
Actually, if the Nazis wanted to invade America, they would probably try to use Mexico or the Dominican Republic as staging points.
Good luck with that. Mexico and DR aren't that stupid. They know that even if they wanted to allow Germany to do so, America would invade. Good Lord man, haven't you heard of the Monroe Doctrine? That was established principle at that point, and even if the US wasn't already in the war, it would have provided FDR with all the justification he needed to convince Congress to declare war.
Also, as a Marine, aren't you aware of the history of the USMC in the Caribbean during that time period??
Blackcat,
Uhmn, yes. The transport ships were the primary target because they affected the land war in russia. If russia is out of the equation, it means that all german subs can concentrate on transports to england.
No, transport ships - ie, the UK Merchant Marine - was the primary target because it impacted Britain's ability to EAT. The vast majority of the U-boats were already concentrated against the UK rather than against the Lend Lease transports.
For a sub there isn't much difference between a military target and a civilian as long as it's undetected.
Yes, emphasis on the bolded part. The Royal Navy was, let's just say, MARGINALLY more capable of detecting and destroying U-boats than unarmed merchant ships.
Elok,
I'm not one of the resident history buffs here. I just figured that would be Hitler's next move in that situation, given what I know of his attitude towards practicality. Firepower disparities and such, I leave to you folks.
It has nothing to do with a firepower disparity. Even if you magic away the entire US Navy, Royal Navy, RAF, and USAAC, the Germans STILL do not have the ability to invade CONUS in 1942, or at any point during WW2. It's all about logistics.
Although, yes, the ACTUAL firepower disparity made it even more impossible, even if the German Z Plan for a naval build up was both tripled and completed
What do you know about his "attitude towards practicality"?
Well, I know he kept the stupid death camps running, sparing men and material for them, until the very end, even as the Allies were playing Hungry Hungry Hippos with his territory. Plus the often-mentioned part where he started a fight with Stalin without settling his Western problems, and declaring war on the US...not the actions of a thoughtful long-term planner. I have never read a book on WW2, so admittedly I probably don't belong in this thread.
Here's a fun What If, for the military history fans in the room...
If Operation Barbarossa "somehow" succeeded in forcing the Soviets to sue for peace (and, let's just stipulate that this happens, don't focus on the "how"), is it possible for the Western Allies to win the war? Assume that in this scenario, the Soviets are knocked out sometime after December 1941, and that the US has entered the war on schedule.
All of us would have live in absolutely different world now.
The Red Army did the most of the fighting and played desicive role. Like it or not, but it is a simple fact.
Simple as that.
With France and Soviets lost - Germany dominates in entire Europe and UK and US can do about that even less than they could do about Soviets dominating the eastern half of the Europe.
We would have another cold war where Nazi were free to go to eliminate all "untermenshes" and build a new order with accordance with their Nazi bullsh!t theory.
Yeah, right.
If Soviets lost, Hitler have 4 million troops to spend them elsewhere instead of fighting the Red Army. North Africa, my ass. He would took India, not to mention Suez. F*cking dreamers.
Isn't Germany able to devote far more forces to North Africa? For that matter, why can't Germany and Italy take down Malta in the summer of 1942? That would eliminate the main logistical problem in shipping supplies to North Africa. Combine that with the transfer of an entire Luftflotte to Sicily and an additional Panzerarmee to North Africa, and I'm not so sure it's a walk in the park campaign for the Allies.
UK and US can do about that even less than they could do about Soviets dominating the eastern half of the Europe.
The U.S. could've taken Eastern Europe back and occupied Russia, if they'd really felt like it. Luckily, no one listened to Patton when he suggested it and you pussies collapsed without a fight after a few decades.
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You've given no convincing reason why Germany, if Barbarossa had succeeded, would magically be able to take Malta in the face of British and American naval superiority. Taking Malta was hard, the Germans couldn't do it in real life, and defeating the Russians wouldn't have given the Germans any significant advantage in being able to do so.
You f*cking moron do not see what David told you so many times. If Barbarossa had succeeded, Hitler would have all the aircrafts and paratroopers participated in Barbarossa to fight UK/US. Malta would have been lost for sure. And with German aircrafts and Italian warships there instead of the British ones, Malta would become a bottleneck for the logistics of Allied troops instead of the Axis troops.
Moreover, if Barbarossa had succeeded, Spain and Turkey would join the Axis for sure. That means the end of the British Empire (how the f*ck they would have supply their troops in the region, if Germany on pair with Spain takes Gibraltar?) and total domination of Nazis in Europe (at least in Europe). US would have another Cold war, but this time with way more stronger enemy, who has way more resources.
If Barbarossa had succeeded, Hitler would have all the aircrafts and paratroopers participated in Barbarossa to fight UK/US. Malta would have been lost for sure.
Good luck taking Malta with just paratroopers.
Moreover, if Barbarossa had succeeded, Spain and Turkey would join the Axis for sure.
Excellent. More coastline for the Germans to defend against an American landing.
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UK and US can do about that even less than they could do about Soviets dominating the eastern half of the Europe.
The U.S. could've taken Eastern Europe back and occupied Russia, if they'd really felt like it. Luckily, no one listened to Patton when he suggested it and you pussies collapsed without a fight after a few decades.
You f*cking pussies HAD NO BALLS to launch this scenario. You had plans to nuke us to death and kill dozens of millions people, just because we had a different ideology. Had these plans were executed - that would make Hitler an innocent virgin compared to USA. But you had no balls. 'cause you know we will strike back. And strike really hard.
You had plans to nuke us to death and kill dozens of millions people, just because we had a different ideology.
We probably would've saved lives on the whole by nuking you and overthrowing your government, but it wasn't our responsibility to rescue the Russians from themselves. Letting the commies beat you down for 50 years while we waited to swoop in after the inevitable collapse was the much smarter course of action.
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