Progressives are economic retards

[Hauldren Collider]

another bald assertion

Even Krugman agrees with me.

[giblets]

dude, the fact that reality itself is objective does not make all questions regarding reality objective. if there are multiple acceptable ways to arrive at an answer, and they lead to different answers, the question is subjective

[Kuciwalker]

No, then the question is controversial and/or has been insufficiently explored.

[Hauldren Collider]

Kuci not everything has an objective answer to it. This probably does, but not everything does.

[giblets]

No, then the question is controversial and/or has been insufficiently explored.

If the answer (the answer meaning what people believe to be correct) depends on personal preference, it's subjective. Get yourself a dictionary.

[ricketyclik]

Yeah you don't have to be self-interested to be smart.

Note that he was saying that it was in 90% of people's self-interest.

[Kuciwalker]

If the answer (the answer meaning what people believe to be correct) depends on personal preference, it's subjective.

No, that's not what subjective means.

Get yourself a dictionary.

BTDT

objective: existing independent of thought or an observer as part of reality
subjective: existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought

[Kuciwalker]

Kuci not everything has an objective answer to it. This probably does, but not everything does.

"Can HC actually read" does have an objective answer, and apparently it's a pretty depressing one.

[Hauldren Collider]

"Can HC actually read" does have an objective answer, and apparently it's a pretty depressing one.

Hm. I reread it. Yes now I see I said something dumb. Consider however, that there is a difference between "can read" and "does read"

[Riesstiu IV]

Yeah you don't have to be self-interested to be smart.

EDIT: Wait Riesstiu said that. Was he being sarcastic?

It would be stupid to, as a low wage worker, advocate an economic doctrine that works against your economic self interest. It's that simple.

[giblets]

objective: existing independent of thought or an observer as part of reality
subjective: existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought

Yep, the answer can be subjective even if the question is factual in nature. If you can't eliminate all but one of the possible answers, then you will only choose one answer over another out of personal preference.

[ricketyclik]

It would be stupid to, as a low wage worker, advocate an economic doctrine that works against your economic self interest. It's that simple.

And when it comes to denying minimum wages and conditions to workers, eg by globalisation, it is only those who own a significant amount of capital or who are at the top end of the economic ladder who benefit.

[Kuciwalker]

that's an even more contrived argument than Asher's deliberate misuse of "unemployment"

xpost

PS you are asserting that the answers to those questions are not only unknown but unknowable?

[Hauldren Collider]

And when it comes to denying minimum wages and conditions to workers, eg by globalisation, it is only those who own a significant amount of capital or who are at the top end of the economic ladder who benefit.

Uh no, the people would have ****tier jobs otherwise. People go for the highest paying job, generally. So no, the people are benefiting. They're getting PAID. HELLO? DO YOU GET IT? THEY ARE GETTING PAID.

[Asher]

that's an even more contrived argument than Asher's deliberate misuse of "unemployment"

I didn't misuse it, you just lack a lot of social skills that would aid you here in seeing how people may read the same sentence in different ways.

If someone asks me if free trade causes unemployment, I'd say yes. This is because I know people who have lost their jobs because of free trade.

That's not misusing the term "unemployment". I'm not sure you understand what "unemployment" means. You seem to think it doesn't apply to friends and relatives of mine who collect unemployment insurance, while being unemployed, because of actions resulting from free trade agreements.