We are doomed

[Kuciwalker]

Have you a reference, or is that more "gifted" opinion? Nothing I saw, on any site, referenced a negative number.

That's because having an IQ below 0 is as unlikely as having an IQ above 200, i.e. there shouldn't be more than .09 people in the entire world with one.

[ramseya]

Black women are less likley to reproduce outside their race and since Black males lag in acheivment behind their sisters they don't on average seem like the kind they wish to "settle" for.

The Black community needs to create a culture that encourages hard work among males and rewards their academic acheivments instead of accusing them of acting white.

Difference in percentages of male and female undergraduate fall enrollment in degree-granting institutions, by race/ethnicity: Selected years, 1976-2004: (it is essentially % Male - % Female so a negative value indicates the difference in favor of females):



Difference in percentages of male and female graduate fall enrollment in degree-granting institutions, by race/ethnicity: Selected years, 1976-2004:



So the trend of more women than men in postsecondary and postgraduate institutions has held true across all races, including Asians, but is more pronounced among Blacks, particularly at the graduate level.

Nevertheless, the fact that this is a common trend indicates that it is not simply a 'problem' with the Black community devaluing education for Black men (why supposedly just Black men? Why are Black women supposedly not being pressured if this is the primary motivator as you claim?). There appear to be bigger, not racially-limited, factors causing declines in male education; factors that have been intensified in the Black community.


stats are from: http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2007/minoritytrends/

[One_more_turn]

We always need cheap labor.

[RGBVideo]

Welfare state + blacks = epic lulz

You know, with language barriers slowly disappearing from next generations because of English hegemony, there really aren't that many reasons for YUPs to stay in their home countries. We could see a slow redistribution of young human capital based on taxation levels of different countries during the next 40 years. You can already see this with Sweden and Finland; both countries have been suffering from brain drain for 30 years or so, but it's worse in Sweden than it is in Finland. Thus, somehow the Finnish GDP per capita actually surpassed Swedish GDP per capita a few years ago, something which would've been absurd and unthinkable in the early 80s.

I'm following the accelerating brain drain from Germany and from the UK with great interest.

So how many years would it take for them to become as retarded as Slovenians or Croatians? Looks like the best part of a century to me.

Multiculturalism 101: It's not racism if you're bigoted against white people.

[Hauldren Collider]

That's because having an IQ below 0 is as unlikely as having an IQ above 200, i.e. there shouldn't be more than .09 people in the entire world with one.

Nuh-uh. I live in Lake Wobegon. All the kids are above average.

[RGBVideo]

Have you a reference, or is that more "gifted" opinion? Nothing I saw, on any site, referenced a negative number.

Theoretically speaking, it's possible. Practically speaking, no it's not.

The IQ scale is based on 100 as average and other results forming around the 100 according to a Gaussian curve. With a standard deviation of 15, you don't really see that many results which are over 150 or under 50. The theoretical maximum/minimum IQ rating depend on the number of questions presented in the test.

[Heraclitus]

Difference in percentages of male and female undergraduate fall enrollment in degree-granting institutions, by race/ethnicity: Selected years, 1976-2004: (it is essentially % Male - % Female so a negative value indicates the difference in favor of females):



Difference in percentages of male and female graduate fall enrollment in degree-granting institutions, by race/ethnicity: Selected years, 1976-2004:



So the trend of more women than men in postsecondary and postgraduate institutions has held true across all races, including Asians, but is more pronounced among Blacks, particularly at the graduate level.

Nevertheless, the fact that this is a common trend indicates that it is not simply a 'problem' with the Black community devaluing education for Black men (why supposedly just Black men? Why are Black women supposedly not being pressured if this is the primary motivator as you claim?). There appear to be bigger, not racially-limited, factors causing declines in male education; factors that have been intensified in the Black community.


stats are from: http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2007/minoritytrends/

I didn't mean to reduce the issue just to race. I was putting the emphasis on Black males since the African American community doesn't stress education as much as say the Asian American community. We are seeing many gender, class and some racial components come into play when disusing dysgenic trends.

I have a feeling the female White dysgenic trend will slowly begin to match the female Black dysgenic trend over time as we see the % of single mothers increase to match that of the African American community.

[Ben Kenobi]

It would also depend on the heritability of intelligence. It's not that deterministic Hera.

The biggest determinant isn't intelligence, but education. More education lowers fertility and this is seen pretty much everywhere.

It's more a function of fertility, if you choose to have kids or go to school, but not both. Those who wait are less likely to have kids.

[BlackCat]

Christ, here I was trying to be nice to Oerdin by telling him that there were a limit for how dumb he could be, and now you destroy it by telling that there are no limit. Don't you guys have any mercy ?

[Heraclitus]

It would also depend on the heritability of intelligence. It's not that deterministic Hera.

I addressed heritability of IQ in the OP. You are however right on education being the main issue. But you see smart people in the West tend to go for a college degree now don't they? Also don't underestimate the vicious dating market that exists in our hedonistic society and tolls of careerism. The perfect storm of contraception being a veritable test working against intelligence is another factor.


Women aren't encouraged to settle or to even reproduce while they are young. This is causing lots of downstream effects that aren't yet apparent.


You will of course be happy to note that very very conservative religious people tend not to show this dysgenic patter as much as the rest of us (talking about frummy Jews and Amish).

[RGBVideo]

You are however right on education being the main issue.

Sociologists of this day think of this as fact because of negative correlation between educational levels of females and number of children females have, but you know, honestly speaking, I don't think is correct. There is no fundamental reason why increased education would prohibit pregnancy. Rather, the educational institutions of this day glorify small families or single lifestyle for women as an ideal way of life, it's part of the whole feminism package of this age. Women should not be dependant from men, therefore women shouldn't get married or have lots of babies. Less children is a feature of modern educational system, not an automatic coproduct of education.

Women aren't encouraged to settle or to even reproduce while they are young. This is causing lots of downstream effects that aren't yet apparent.

This is what I was getting at. "Smart" girls who follow the social norms they're taught by our educational system don't go for children when they have so many other "important" concerns to take care of first (education, career, money, et cetera). "Dumb" girls who don't give a **** and start drinking and drop out of high school get accidentally knocked up 2-3 times by the guys they hang out with before they're 25. Welfare state pays up child benefits so it's not a problem at all for them. From a darwinian perspective, who's being smart and who's being dumb?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Multiculturalism 101: It's not racism if you're bigoted against white people.

Basic English 101: It's not racism if it's nothing to do with race. Durp.

[Kuciwalker]

Nuh-uh. I live in Lake Wobegon. All the kids are above average.

Your joke fails because it has nothing to do with what I was responding to.

[Hauldren Collider]

No. If all the kids are above average then they would be more likely to be over 200 than under 0.

[ramseya]

More likely? True but that's not very meaningful when you consider that according to the Stanford-Binet IQ tests, an IQ of 200 would be seven standard deviations from the mean!