US continues to export freedom: Pressures Canada in piracy (We're #1!)

[Asher]

On a related note, let's play a game.

The value of the market for triple-headed dildos in Edmonton is $857M per year.

[Asher]

The value of the market for triple-headed dildos in Edmonton is $857M per year.

One estimate of the market for triple-headed dildos in Edmonton is as much as $857-million a year.

[Asher]

notyoueither, never in all your years on Apolyton have you been as pathetic in a debate as this one. There's literally no room for your to argue here, yet you keep trying. Why?

The OP has nothing to do with counterfeit goods or black markets. It's not mentioned, it's not hinted at. It's simply not the topic of this thread. There's really nothing else to it. I'm baffled why you continually attempt to pretend otherwise.

[notyoueither]

Asher.

You need to take one of the red pills.

The report you quoted from specifically deals with counterfeit goods, among other things like digital piracy.

There is a one paragraph summary of why Canada is on their **** list, and the article I posted reports an international agency as recommending Canada be put on that **** list specifically for counterfeiting.

I am sorry the shape of the sun coming up in the morning is hurtful to you. I am sorry you do not like the colour of the sky. I can't help you with these things as I cannot change reality for you.

The red pill might.

[Asher]

No matter how much you will it so, nowhere in the report in the OP, nowhere in the OP, nowhere in the subject of this thread is the topic of 'counterfeiting in Canada' around.

This is black and white. You lose. Time to move on.

[notyoueither]

And you called me disingenuous?

They discuss counterfeiting. They discuss the lack of power of Canada's border agents. Personal possession of pirated music and movies is not illegal in Canada. Counterfeit goods are, but our border agents are severely constrained from acting on them.

I'd ask if you could connect the dots, but I already know the answer.

[Asher]

You are clearly delusional. All there is to it.

[Ecofarm]

Canada needs to change their flag...





Perhaps we could rename it too, North Somalia.

[Asher]

Look, another article about counterfeit goods!

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5008/125/

PMO Issues The Order: Canadian DMCA Bill Within Six Weeks
Wednesday May 05, 2010
Months of public debate over the future of Canadian copyright law were quietly decided earlier this week, when sources say the Prime Minister's Office reached a verdict over the direction of the next copyright bill. The PMO was forced to make the call after Canadian Heritage Minister James Moore and Industry Minister Tony Clement were unable to reach consensus on the broad framework of a new bill. As I reported last week, Moore has argued for a virtual repeat of Bill C-61, with strong digital locks provisions similar to those found in the U.S. Digital Millennium Copyright Act and a rejection of a flexible fair dealing approach. Consistent with earlier comments on the need for a forward-looking, flexible approach, Clement argued for changes from C-61.

With mounting pressure from the U.S. - there have repeated meetings with senior U.S. officials in recent weeks - the PMO sided squarely with Moore's vision of a U.S.-style copyright law. The detailed provisions will be negotiated over the coming weeks by the respective departments, but they now have their marching orders of completing a bill that will satisfy the U.S. that comes complete with tough anti-circumvention rules and no flexible fair dealing provision.

The bill is not expected until June, but it will have dramatic repercussions once introduced. First, the bill represents a stunning reversal from the government's seeming shift away from C-61 and its commitment to a bill based on the national copyright consultation. Instead, the consultation appears to have been little more than theatre, with the PMO and Moore choosing to dismiss public opinion. Second, after adopting distinctly pro-consumer positions on other issues, Moore has abandoned that approach with support for what may become the most anti-consumer copyright bill in Canadian history. Third, the bill will immediately impact the Canadian position at the ACTA and CETA negotiations, where the bill's provisions on anti-circumvention and ISP liability will effectively become the Canadian delegation position.

For those wondering what can be done, my only answer is to speak out now. Write a paper letter to your Member of Parliament and send copies to the Prime Minister, Moore, Clement and Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff. No stamp is required - be sure to include your home address and send it to the House of Commons, Ottawa, ON, K1A 0A6. Once that is done, join the Facebook group and the Facebook page and be sure to ask others do the same. You may spoken out before, but your voice is needed yet again.

[Ecofarm]

It would be more convincing if you quoted someone other than the leading anti-IPR professor in Canada.

This is like quoting Bush about Bush Doctrine.

[Krill]

Snipped the rest of this post and not responding to the following post as they are wastes of my time.

If someone was smuggling the formula for Viagra across the lines, it'd be an IP issue.

The article also specifically mentions INTERNET PIRACY and COPYRIGHT. I'm curious how one pirates Viagra over the internet whilst violating COPYRIGHT LAW.

This is a retarded discussion, so I'm ending it. The context of the snippit in the OP is very, very clearly IP in the context of pirated movies, music, games, and ebooks. We all know it, except you. That's on you.

Theoretically, could carry an electronic copy of the method of creating the active ingredient of viagra.

But that is being pedantic.

[notyoueither]

*cough*

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63T3MF20100430

China, Russia, Canada again top USTR piracy list
Doug Palmer
WASHINGTON
Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:52pm EDT

(Reuters) - The United States on Friday placed Russia on its list of countries with the worst records of preventing copyright theft for the 13th straight year, just days after the two nations agreed to intensify talks on Moscow's bid to join the World Trade Organization.

The U.S. Trade Representative's office also put China on its "priority watch list" for the sixth consecutive year and Canada for the second. The list carries no threat of sanctions, but aims to shame governments into cracking down on piracy and updating their copyright laws.

"Intellectual property theft in overseas markets is an export killer for American businesses and a job killer for American workers here at home," U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk said in a statement.

Algeria, Argentina, Chile, India, Indonesia, Pakistan, Thailand, and Venezuela rounded out the priority watch list.

All the listed countries will be "the subject of particularly intense engagement through bilateral discussion during the coming year," USTR said.

The International Intellectual Property Alliance, which represents U.S. copyright industry groups, has estimated that U.S. trade losses due to piracy in more than three dozen countries surpassed $15.8 billion in 2009.

That included more than $3.5 billion in China, $1.9 billion in Russia, $1.5 billion in India, $1.1 billion in Italy, $978 million in Brazil and $710 million in Canada.

"With the U.S. and many other economies working to recover from the global fiscal crisis, our government needs to redouble its efforts to stem massive global theft of U.S. copyrighted works, whether in physical forms or on the Internet," IIPA President Eric Smith said in a statement.

U.S. movie, software, music and other copyright industries already bring in more than $126 billion in revenue each year from trade, and reducing global piracy would help industry reach the U.S. goal of doubling exports in five years.

U.S. WANTS RUSSIA TO IMPLEMENT COMMITMENTS

Stan McCoy, assistant U.S. trade representative for intellectual property and innovation, said Russia still needed to fulfill many of the commitments it made in 2006 to bolster enforcement of intellectual property rights.

"Implementation of this bilateral agreement is important in our consideration of the way forward on Russia's WTO accession," McCoy said, adding that Moscow has not given a timeframe for enacting the reforms.

In addition to China's high piracy rates, the United States is "seriously concerned about China's implementation of 'indigenous innovation' policies that may unfairly disadvantage U.S. IPR holders," Kirk said, using the acronym for international piracy rights.

U.S. manufacturers, computer technology and other business groups have been alarmed about a Chinese policy that requires companies to develop their intellectual property in China if they want to qualify for preferences under that country's government procurement program.

McCoy said he expected the issue to be raised at the upcoming U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue meeting in Beijing in late June.

The United States appreciates China has recently asked for public comments on proposed changes to one particular regulation, but it remains concerned about the direction of China's indigenous innovation policies, he added.

"We're pressing for comprehensive dialogue with China on appropriate nondiscriminatory ways to foster innovation, not to condition it, not to push it into China but to let it work for both China and its trading partners, McCoy said.

Canada is on the priority watch list for a second year because it still has not passed promised legislation to boost protection of intellectual property rights.

"Even though Canada is a world leader in its rate of Internet usage and online file-sharing, Canada's IPR regime has not kept pace with changing technology," McCoy said.

The United States wants Canada to follow through on commitments it made in 1997, when it signed onto international treaties governing the Internet.

"We also are encouraging Canada to provide its customs authorities with the authority to seize pirated and counterfeit products," McCoy said.

(Reporting by Doug Palmer; Editing by Philip Barbara)

[Asher]

Notice how counterfeit products are a separate category from pirated items.

Notice the topic of this thread.

[Asher]

You seem to be under the impression that I thought counterfeit goods either didn't exist or weren't an issue. That's not the case.

I simply don't give a **** about them, and they are not the topic of conversation in this thread. This thread is about piracy -- specifically, internet piracy, copyright infringement, and intellectual property rights.

How many times do I need to say this? Seriously?

[Ecofarm]

This is like discussing Hitler and stating "I'm just sticking to the vegetarian part, I don't care about anything else".


Does that count as a Godwin?