[serious] Charity thread

[KrazyHorse]

[QUOTE=Traianvs;5781735]

You really want it spelled out that taxing (most of) the negative externalities is just about impossible in today's world, do you?

Right, because it's better to leave it up to every consumer to aggregate all information about every product. Imbecile.

[KrazyHorse]

[QUOTE=Kuciwalker;5781739]

The other point I forgot to make is that you haven't given any evidence that locally grown food is more likely to be economically sustainable.

That's because demonstrating that requires the ability to aggregate and analyze vast quantities of dynamic data. Unfortunately, he's too stupid to realize how difficult that would be.

[Fake Boris]

I'll bet I can go to my grocery store in NYC and buy produce from Chile than has a lower carbon footprint than your local produce trucked in from the English countryside. Even if we ignore the efficiency gains from allowing different regions to specialize in different food products, buying locally is pointless because its supposed environmental benefits don't actually exist. It's a stupid idea latched onto by stupid people.

And as usual you're being a complete disingenuous ******. As pointed out by Cockney, every point about local food mentioned in the article can be more than easily made on your own.

You are so consistently stupid, that my only hope about you is that I'd have never read a single word of you that you actually believe.

Here's the kicker: every single person I know buying local understands that it's about seasonal and fresh fruits or vegetables, and not dairy, meat, or processed food.

EDIT: incidentally, these people tend to be vegetarian, avoid steel canned food, etc.

[Drake Tungsten]

And as usual you're being a complete disingenuous ******.

You're welcome to try and prove this, you moronic filosofer.

[Fake Boris]

You're the one that knows.

Either you're picking fictional foes (people too dumb to understand properly some specifics of buying local), which shows about your own stature, either you're being a dumbass.

Both options are likely enough that I'm not wasting sleep over them.

[KrazyHorse]

So, the defences of "local food" have all been premised on the idea that local doesn't actually mean local; instead, it means some metric which actually captures all the postulated environmental and economic issues. Does anybody care to actually define such a metric, or are we just going to continue living in the fantasy world where such a thing exists and can be measured?

This is already excusing such retarded defences as traianus', which inexplicably chose to mix internalized issues like flavour and price with uncompensated externalites like carbon emission.

[KrazyHorse]

Local food appears to appeal to morons who prefer ambiguous measures of value to measurable ones.

Discuss.

[KrazyHorse]

Placeholder post to insult more nincompoops.

[Fake Boris]

What's your measurable value?

[KrazyHorse]

Specific externalties (emissions, etc) on input factors plus market determined prices for input factors.

[KrazyHorse]

Anything which can't be measured is just filosofy.

[Fake Boris]

So, the defences of "local food" have all been premised on the idea that local doesn't actually mean local; instead, it means some metric which actually captures all the postulated environmental and economic issues. Does anybody care to actually define such a metric, or are we just going to continue living in the fantasy world where such a thing exists and can be measured?

Yes. Anyone who cares about the issue understands in some way that it's about some factors - not, all but some - most of them rather meaningful.

What do you think of the 'biological food' label, BTW? Do you actually care that it does not exactly convey the information that a speaker could expect?

[Fake Boris]

The bottom line: tax pollution already.

[Kuciwalker]

The bottom line: tax pollution already.

Thank you for agreeing with KH and me.

[Drake Tungsten]

I don't get any love?