Sex abuse scandal. Guess the religion?

[Asher]

Then edit it off your post.

How can I edit something I've never said? In fact, I can see quite plainly I've twice stated in this thread that I don't know if you're a pedophile.

You're awfully defensive here for something I've not even accused you of. Why so jumpy, Ben?

[Hauldren Collider]

There are not 1 billion priests on the planet. Just so you know.

Oh, I know, but not all catholics are priests.

Also there are, I believe, millions of priests. It still should be unsurprising that there are sex scandals. Christ we have sex scandals in Congress all the time and there's only 538 of them.

[Asher]

Oh, I know, but not all catholics are priests.

Also there are, I believe, millions of priests. It still should be unsurprising that there are sex scandals. Christ we have sex scandals in Congress all the time and there's only 538 of them.

Sorry, how many politicians have molested children?

I can only think of one who came close...Mark Foley. Oh, he was a Catholic.

Huh.

[Wezil]

You're a creep in many ways, who am I to limit your potential?

Post of the week.

[Ben Kenobi]

You're awfully defensive here for something I've not even accused you of. Why so jumpy, Ben?

So, when you say, 'Connect the dots', I'm supposed to assume the following:

1. I am celibate.
2. Celibate people are automatically child molestors.
3. Therefore I am a child molestor?

Or am I supposed to connect the dots in some alternative fashion?

Please advise.

[Asher]

So, when you say, 'Connect the dots', I'm supposed to assume the following:

1. I am celibate.
2. Celibate people are automatically child molestors.
3. Therefore I am a child molestor?

Or am I supposed to connect the dots in some alternative fashion?

Please advise.

I'm saying there's enough of a bunch of factors (the biggest of which are clear indications of serious mental disorders) to make me cautious of having you around children.

I don't know if you are a pedophile and I'm not accusing you of being one. I'm just playing it safe.

I believe that children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way. Keep them away from the priests who want inside.

[Ben Kenobi]

Why the **** does the sex of a victim of child molestation matter? They are victims. Have you no heart?

Oh, I'm very sure it matters, which is why it was left off by the powers that be and the source you chose to quote. It raises some uncomfortable questions about the sexuality of the molestor.

The Church's policies create the molester. That much is clear. Human beings are not meant to be celibate.

Oh, I see.

So, lets take this a step further.

You've stated that Church policies create the monster. Then you refer to Mark Foley who was not celibate.

He had sent suggestive emails and sexually explicit instant messages, while driving his blue 2003 Mercury Marauder, to teenaged males

Gee, seems these folks have something in common.

[Hauldren Collider]

Sorry, how many politicians have molested children?

I can only think of one who came close...Mark Foley. Oh, he was a Catholic.

Huh.

...there's only 538 of them.

Your profiling of Catholics has a pretty shaky foundation in my opinion. I'm finding nothing here especially remarkable. Pedophilia is bad yes, but this is an absolutely enormous group of people you're talking about here.

But really, why all the Catholic hate?

EDIT: I think I should clarify that I myself am not catholic but atheist.

[BlackCat]

Guess this explains all . it's a logical and scientifical sound explanation

Chief exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth says Devil is in the Vatican

Sex abuse scandals in the Roman Catholic Church are proof that that "the Devil is at work inside the Vatican", according to the Holy See's chief exorcist.

Father Gabriele Amorth, 85, who has been the Vatican's chief exorcist for 25 years and says he has dealt with 70,000 cases of demonic possession, said that the consequences of satanic infiltration included power struggles at the Vatican as well as "cardinals who do not believe in Jesus, and bishops who are linked to the Demon".

He added: "When one speaks of 'the smoke of Satan' [a phrase coined by Pope Paul VI in 1972] in the holy rooms, it is all true – including these latest stories of violence and paedophilia."

He claimed that another example of satanic behaviour was the Vatican "cover-up" over the deaths in 1998 of Alois Estermann, the then commander of the Swiss Guard, his wife and Corporal Cedric Tornay, a Swiss Guard, who were all found shot dead. "They covered up everything immediately," he said. "Here one sees the rot".

A remarkably swift Vatican investigation concluded that Corporal Tornay had shot the commander and his wife and then turned his gun on himself after being passed over for a medal. However Tornay's relatives have challenged this. There have been unconfirmed reports of a homosexual background to the tragedy and the involvement of a fourth person who was never identfied.

Father Amorth, who has just published Memoirs of an Exorcist, a series of interviews with the Vatican journalist Marco Tosatti, said that the attempt on the life of Pope John Paul II in 1981 had been the work of the Devil, as had an incident last Christmas when a mentally disturbed woman threw herself at Pope Benedict XVI at the start of Midnight Mass, pulling him to the ground.

Father José Antonio Fortea Cucurull, a Rome-based exorcist, said that Father Amorth had "gone well beyond the evidence" in claiming that Satan had infiltrated the Vatican corridors.

"Cardinals might be better or worse, but all have upright intentions and seek the glory of God," he said. Some Vatican officials were more pious than others, "but from there to affirm that some cardinals are members of satanic sects is an unacceptable distance."

Father Amorth told La Repubblica that the devil was "pure spirit, invisible. But he manifests himself with blasphemies and afflictions in the person he possesses. He can remain hidden, or speak in different languages, transform himself or appear to be agreeable. At times he makes fun of me."

He said it sometimes took six or seven of his assistants to to hold down a possessed person. Those possessed often yelled and screamed and spat out nails or pieces of glass, which he kept in a bag. "Anything can come out of their mouths – finger-length pieces of iron, but also rose petals."

He said that hoped every diocese would eventually have a resident exorcist. Under Church Canon Law any priest can perform exorcisms, but in practice they are carried out by a chosen few trained in the rites.

Father Amorth was ordained in 1954 and became an official exorcist in 1986. In the past he has suggested that Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin were possessed by the Devil. He was among Vatican officials who warned that J. K. Rowling's Harry Potter novels made a "false distinction between black and white magic".

He approves, however, of the 1973 film The Exorcist, which although "exaggerated" offered a "substantially exact" picture of possession.

In 2001 he objected to the introduction of a new version of the exorcism rite, complaining that it dropped centuries-old prayers and was "a blunt sword" about which exorcists themselves had not been consulted. The Vatican said later that he and other exorcists could continue to use the old ritual.

He is the president of honour of the Association of Exorcists.

http://www.recentnews.co.uk/382637/Chief-exorcist-Father-Gabriele-Amorth-says-Devil-is-in-the-Vatican/

[Asher]

Oh, I'm very sure it matters

I'm sure it matters to you...I wouldn't dare to say why.

Oh, I see.

So, lets take this a step further.

You've stated that Church policies create the monster. Then you refer to Mark Foley who was not celibate.

Oh, Ben. Such a childlike mind...

Church policies can create the monster. The monster can be created in many other ways. Another way, closely related, is sexual repression. Let's say a man is a Republican congressman who needs to repress his sexuality to keep his image intact and probably convince himself he's completely normal. A man like Mark Foley, maybe.

Gee, seems these folks have something in common.

I see you're on your "only gays are pedophiles" bent again. It's unfortunate you refuse to read basic literature on the matter, and it's unfortunate you refuse to read and comprehend the posts of others because people have lectured you on this before.

[Asher]

Your profiling of Catholics has a pretty shaky foundation in my opinion. I'm finding nothing here especially remarkable. Pedophilia is bad yes, but this is an absolutely enormous group of people you're talking about here.

But really, why all the Catholic hate?

I'm just returning the favour.

[Ben Kenobi]

I see you're on your "only gays are pedophiles" bent again. It's unfortunate you refuse to read basic literature on the matter, and it's unfortunate you refuse to read and comprehend the posts of others because people have lectured you on this before

Where did I say this?

I think Mark Foley caused him to solicit sex from 15 year old boys, but then I believe in individual responsibility.

However, you seem to be denying that he has such control by blaming 'sexual repression' forcing him to arrange clandestine trysts.

[Asher]

Where did I say this?

I think Mark Foley caused him to solicit sex from 15 year old boys, but then I believe in individual responsibility.

However, you seem to be denying that he has such control by blaming 'sexual repression' forcing him to arrange clandestine trysts.

Why is it any surprise to anyone with common sense that a man in a position where he can't have something the body is biologically programmed to want would try to get what he wants in a way he could try to get it and keep it under the radar? The Foley and the Priest things are similar in that they're done by people in situations where it's a no-no to have sex (Foley, being a gay man, could not have sex with men and continue to get elected as a republican; Priests cannot have sex at all). They target people whom they have power over and can hopefully coerce into silence, which unfortunately tends to be children.

Maybe I'm just some ****ing mad genius when it comes to analyzing people and their motives, but it really is obvious to me how many (not all) of these situations arise. The root element is the forbidden fruit of the (normal, adult) sex the body wants. Some men (NOT all, or even MOST) can act out on these urges under people they have some form of control over. Children.

I'm sorry if this is too complex for you, but if you think about it for a bit you can probably admit it makes sense.

[Hauldren Collider]

I'm just returning the favour.

Most of the Catholics I know aren't homophobes. Similarly, almost all the Catholics I know have no problem with contraception. Though I suppose I can see where you're coming from.

[DinoDoc]

I'm just returning the favour.

Catholics hate you?