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  • #61
    No, I particularly object to pairing unrelated thoughts with the holocaust. For me, it's charged to an unusual degree. To accuse somebody of holding beliefs that are akin to religion is no big deal.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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    • #62
      Originally posted by MikeH View Post
      as a.kitman points out - Caligastia used "believers" before I used "deniers". I was responding to him. You should have had a go at him.
      They have you on that one DanS. Go on, have a go at me.
      ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
      ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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      • #63
        Originally posted by DanS View Post
        For me, it's charged to an unusual degree.
        For me it isn't charged that way at all and it wasn't my intent. I'm glad other people see that but I don't think I can persuade you I'm not lying so *shrug*

        And I certainly find the idea that one could equate accepting a generally accepted scientific theory with religious belief at least a bit distasteful.
        Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
        Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
        We've got both kinds

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        • #64
          Cal: Why? As stated, I don't find accusing somebody of holding religious beliefs to be a big deal. If somebody else finds it objectionable, then they can have at it.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #65
            ffs you know damn well we cant point out all the bad things religion stands for. cus if we do this will be another ben vs everybody thread.

            imo they are equaly stupied but i dont think anyone in here actaully ment it that way.

            so dan why did you feel like running in here and start crying like a emo teen who doesnt get money from mommy to see the new twillight movie for the 10th time?

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            • #66
              Originally posted by MikeH View Post
              Are recent revelations enough to topple AGW theory? No.
              You said yourself you didn't read the paper. It's 5 days old and 111 pages long. Maybe read and digest it before dismissing out of hand?

              edit: As for the IPCC, I think we left out this one:

              UN climate panel shamed by bogus rainforest claim

              ...
              This is the third time in as many weeks that serious doubts have been raised over the IPCC’s conclusions on climate change. Two weeks ago, after reports in The Sunday Times, it was forced to retract a warning that climate change was likely to melt the Himalayan glaciers by 2035. That warning was also based on claims in a WWF report.

              The IPCC has been put on the defensive as well over its claims that climate change may be increasing the severity and frequency of natural disasters such as hurricanes and floods.

              This weekend Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the IPCC, was fighting to keep his job after a barrage of criticism.
              ...
              Last edited by HalfLotus; February 2, 2010, 12:41.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by HalfLotus View Post
                edit: As for the IPCC, I think we left out this one:

                UN climate panel shamed by bogus rainforest claim
                Wow, that's a new one. I hadn't seen this one before.
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by DanS View Post
                  Cal: Why? As stated, I don't find accusing somebody of holding religious beliefs to be a big deal. If somebody else finds it objectionable, then they can have at it.
                  Equating someone's position on a controversial scientific topic with a religious belief is somewhat insulting because science is supposed to be based on facts and reason, as opposed to faith. I actually thought about that as I was typing it, then thought "**** it, it's Apolyton".
                  ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                  ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                  • #69
                    I'm happy to provide a proper atmosphere for your confession of wrongdoing.
                    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                    • #70
                      ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                      ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by MikeH View Post
                        You are using the propaganda phrase of "believers" to make it sound like people who are not deniers are doing so based purely on faith like religious people. Difference being, you don't need faith to 'believe' in AGW because the scientific evidence is there.

                        If you think it's wrong for me to use a phrase which you interpret to be propaganda, shouldn't you try to hold yourself to your own high standards?

                        Someone who denies the facts about AGW is a denier. They might think they are not a denier because they are wrong, but that doesn't change the fact.
                        Who's denying facts? And how do you believe in something that is not a fact, without any faith? The difference between science and religion is that, religion uses faith and scripture as well as reason and facts.
                        I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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                        • #72
                          More commonly it uses faith and scripture instead of reason and facts.
                          Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
                          Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
                          We've got both kinds

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by MikeH View Post
                            More commonly it uses faith and scripture instead of reason and facts.
                            In the areas that religion deals with the most and are the most important, there are no scientific facts/reasoning.

                            JM
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post
                              In the areas that religion deals with the most and are the most important, there are no scientific facts/reasoning.

                              JM




                              Now, continue believing.
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by MikeH View Post
                                More commonly it uses faith and scripture instead of reason and facts.
                                Let's say a good father has two sons.

                                Two people come to them and tell them lies about their father. Both the liars back up each others stories. One son doesn't believe them. He has faith. The other son thinks it's reasonable to believe the two men, because there are two of them, and his father is only one. He is a fool.

                                If you have faith and not reason you are a fool, just as if you use reason and don't have faith you are a fool.
                                I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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