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    Policy-Driven Deception

    The Science & Public Policy Institute has published an important paper on the manipulations to which surface temperature records have been subjected in order to promote the global warming dogma. It's called Surface Temperature Records: Policy Driven Deception? You should download and read it all; this is the executive summary:

    1. Instrumental temperature data for the pre-satellite era (1850-1980) have been so widely, systematically, and unidirectionally tampered with that it cannot be credibly asserted there has been any significant "global warming" in the 20th century.

    2. All terrestrial surface-temperature databases exhibit very serious problems that render them useless for determining accurate long-term temperature trends.

    3. All of the problems have skewed the data so as greatly to overstate observed warming both regionally and globally.

    4. Global terrestrial temperature data are gravely compromised because more than three-quarters of the 6,000 stations that once existed are no longer reporting.

    5. There has been a severe bias towards removing higher-altitude, higher-latitude, and rural stations, leading to a further serious overstatement of warming.

    6. Contamination by urbanization, changes in land use, improper siting, and inadequately-calibrated instrument upgrades further overstates warming.

    7. Numerous peer-reviewed papers in recent years have shown the overstatement of observed longer term warming is 30-50% from heat-island contamination alone.

    8. Cherry-picking of observing sites combined with interpolation to vacant data grids may make heat-island bias greater than 50% of 20th-century warming.

    9. In the oceans, data are missing and uncertainties are substantial. Comprehensive coverage has only been available since 2003, and shows no warming.

    10. Satellite temperature monitoring has provided an alternative to terrestrial stations in compiling the global lower-troposphere temperature record. Their findings are increasingly diverging from the station-based constructions in a manner consistent with evidence of a warm bias in the surface temperature record.

    11. NOAA and NASA, along with CRU, were the driving forces behind the systematic hyping of 20th-century "global warming".

    12. Changes have been made to alter the historical record to mask cyclical changes that could be readily explained by natural factors like multidecadal ocean and solar changes.

    13. Global terrestrial data bases are seriously flawed and can no longer be trusted to assess climate trends or VALIDATE model forecasts.

    14. An inclusive external assessment is essential of the surface temperature record of CRU, GISS and NCDC "chaired and paneled by mutually agreed to climate scientists who do not have a vested interest in the outcome of the evaluations."

    15. Reliance on the global data by both the UNIPCC and the US GCRP/CCSP also requires a full investigation and audit.

    This is from a GW skeptics group, but the accusations are pretty damning. I don't think there has been a response from the Global Warming believers yet, but perhaps some folks on here have an opinion.

    Here's a link to the full PDF:
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  • #2
    Can't be bothered reading the whole thing. Have seen a lot of those arguments before and generally after some research you can find out why they are wrong, mistaken assumptions, or why they don't matter. As soon as you point that out to the climate change deniers they just trot out another argument "but what about..." and it gets boring.

    In general for those arguments:

    Don't you think it's odd they think that every experimental error increases warming? Across a wide range of scientific fields and thousands of scientists?

    And they complain both about data being 'manipulated' and also about data not being manipulated when things like where the weather stations are changes, or because of the altitude discrepancies? You can't have it both ways.

    As for the idea it's some conspiracy there are plenty of people with vested interests in industry who'd benefit from not making any compromises with climate change, but who benefits really from forcing us to cut stuff to help prevent climate change? Who's more likely to put the disinformation out there?
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    • #3
      So, boring post with boring non-facts that have been disproved long ago. nothing new.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by MikeH View Post
        climate change deniers
        How about you use the English language with a little more delicacy?
        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MikeH View Post
          Who's more likely to put the disinformation out there?
          The University of East Anglia? Aparently the IPCC as well.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by DanS View Post
            How about you use the English language with a little more delicacy?
            Huh? It's not exactly an uncommon phrase.

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            • #7
              i saw a program recently which looked at and pretty much debunked 1-8 on that list, so i'm inclined to agree with mike here.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by MikeH View Post
                Huh? It's not exactly an uncommon phrase.

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial
                He's hung up by the thought of you painting opponents as something akin to Holocaust deniers. Skeptic would probably by the prefered term among people with delicate feelings.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MikeH View Post
                  Can't be bothered reading the whole thing. Have seen a lot of those arguments before and generally after some research you can find out why they are wrong, mistaken assumptions, or why they don't matter. As soon as you point that out to the climate change deniers they just trot out another argument "but what about..." and it gets boring.

                  In general for those arguments:

                  Don't you think it's odd they think that every experimental error increases warming? Across a wide range of scientific fields and thousands of scientists?

                  And they complain both about data being 'manipulated' and also about data not being manipulated when things like where the weather stations are changes, or because of the altitude discrepancies? You can't have it both ways.

                  As for the idea it's some conspiracy there are plenty of people with vested interests in industry who'd benefit from not making any compromises with climate change, but who benefits really from forcing us to cut stuff to help prevent climate change? Who's more likely to put the disinformation out there?
                  It's a good thing there are no powerful entities with a vested interest in controlling CO2 emissions.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                    He's hung up by the thought of you painting opponents as something akin to Holocaust deniers. Skeptic would probably by the prefered term among people with delicate feelings.
                    Nothing to do with the holocaust, obviously, but sceptic doesn't fully convey the wrongness. It suggests there's some validity to the scepticism.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MikeH View Post
                      Nothing to do with the holocaust, obviously, but sceptic doesn't fully convey the wrongness. It suggests there's some validity to the scepticism.
                      You sound like a religious convert? What do you care what term is used as long as the evidence speaks for itself?
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                      • #12
                        I wasn't the one who objected to the term I was using.
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                        • #13
                          You are the one trying to convey the full sense of "wrongness" whatever that means, though. I don't really care much though. It just struck me as odd given the idiocy of global warming believers (CRU and the IPCC) of late.
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                          • #14
                            It's not a question of belief or not.

                            Like with gravity, there are still questions about some of the mechanisms by which it acts and the accuracy of the measured value of G etc. but that doesn't stop anyone who says they can step off a tall building and not fall to the ground being dead wrong.

                            Sure, there are questions about a lot of areas of climate change, especially in prediction models. But to suggest the entire thing is a co-ordinated hoax as in the OP is denialism IMO.

                            It's just like, we might not currently be able to predict exactly what life forms would evolve over time in a given environment.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MikeH View Post
                              Nothing to do with the holocaust, obviously
                              No, it has nothing to do with the holocaust. So why did you choose a phrase that is freighted with holocaust baggage?
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