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  • #61
    Here's specific information on how Syncrude is rehabilitating the oil sand pits:



    Reclamation efforts creating sustainable forests

    Syncrude wrapped up its tree planting season this year with an annual event for employees and their families that allowed them to dig in and help plant a new forest on a former mine site.

    Held on September 19th, the event brought the total amount of seedlings planted this year to around 143,000. Called Syncrude Tree Planting Day, it brought out 130 participants who experienced firsthand the activities associated with oil sands land restoration.

    Syncrude will spend more than $100 million on its reclamation efforts this year. More than five million trees and shrubs have been planted on more than 4,600 hectares of land since operations began in 1978.

    The area used for the tree planting event has been undergoing reclamation for the last two years. Planting will be completed next spring, followed by at least 15 years of monitoring as the forest and landscape matures.

    Syncrude has seen great results from the monitoring of reclaimed landscapes on our site. In 1992, Syncrude planted pine, aspen and spruce tree seedlings in another reclaimed area on the western slope of its Mildred Lake tailings dam. The trees were planted in a 50 centimetre layer of peat soil-mineral mix that was spread over tailings sand. Syncrude has been monitoring the growth and health of the trees as they have matured over the past 18 years. Monitoring has included measuring the roots and carbon storage capacity of the forest, as well as tracking new buds on the trees and changes in the canopy cover.

    The landscape has demonstrated very positive trends. Tree roots extend into the soil 110 to 120 centimetres, the canopy closed within the last three years, and the trees are showing the same productivity as a natural forest.

    “The science of oil sands reclamation is continually evolving,” says Rob Vassov, senior reclamation scientist with Syncrude. “If we can achieve a forest this healthy with what we knew 18 years ago, imagine what we will accomplish in the future.”

    At this same site, Syncrude has partnered with the Alberta Research Council on a research study comparing the effectiveness of carbon storage between this reclaimed forest and a natural forest. Research results are positive. In fact, carbon cycling in the reclaimed area is occurring at the same rate as it does in the natural forest. This is particularly important because boreal forests are considered carbon dioxide sinks, helping to mitigate the effects of climate change.

    “I’m confident that Syncrude’s ability to reclaim land is very high, given what I’ve seen from my research,” says Alberta Research Council scientist Terry Macyk.

    In order to receive government certification, Syncrude must prove the reclaimed land can sustain vegetation and wildlife similar to that before disturbance. In 2008, Syncrude received the first reclamation certification in the oil sands industry for the 104-hectare area known as Gateway Hill. This area was planted in the early 1980s and is Syncrude's most established reclaimed area.
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    • #62
      The biggest pet peeve I have with talking about climate change in Canada is no one ****ing knows a damn thing about the oil sands or how they work. David ****ing Suzuki flies a plane over the active mining operations and takes some pictures and tells the public "this is what the oil sands are" when in reality, the vast majority of current operations (and virtually all future operations) do not work via strip mining -- only the initial versions really do this, dating back 40 years. Even then, the government has strict regulations forcing companies to restore the land to its previous state when done. Suzuki never showed the Gateway Hill area, which looks like the pictures you linked above 20 years ago but looks like this now:










      (All of the above are actual photos from reclaimed Syncrude mines)

      They also don't understand the economic impact of the oil sands on Alberta, and the ripple effect shuttering them or limiting them would have on the rest of Canada -- from reduced employment (when you're investing many billions of dollars per year in equipment, where do you think that comes from? It's not made in Alberta!) to reduced transfer payments to other provinces.

      The total GHG emissions the oil sands create is a trivial part of Canada's GHG emissions, but its impact on the economy/GDP is far, far more important.

      The profound and never-ending ignorance about the oil sands, and how they're constantly vilified by people in Ontario, is extremely aggravating.



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      • #63
        Meanwhile, "save the environment" Ontario is leaking radioactive tritium into Lake Ontario:



        The spin we give this is it's not a big deal. Of course, when some birds die at the oil sands we gotta shut the whole ****ing thing down.

        Leak from Darlington station poses no harm: OPG

        Radioactive tritium accidentally released Monday into Lake Ontario from Darlington nuclear generating station poses no harm to local residents, according to Ontario Power Generation, which has launched an investigation and continues to test lake water hourly.

        OPG spokesman Ted Gruetzner said the tritium - a radioactive isotope of hydrogen - was in water that spilled from an underground tank, which is used for backup cooling in the event of an emergency. About 300,000 litres escaped, roughly enough to fill three Olympic-sized swimming pools.

        Gruetzner said little is known at this point about how much tritium was in the water, though concentration is expected to be low. The water also contained a toxic inorganic chemical compound called hydrazine. "Water sampling at local water treatment facilities indicates that levels of tritium continue to be at normal background (safe) levels," OPG said in a statement. "Further samples will continue to be taken regularly."

        The accident happened at around 3 p.m. on Monday, after which the Ministry of Environment, the Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission, the Durham Medical Officer of Health, and water treatment authorities in the area were notified.

        "We know what happened, we just don't know why it happened," said Gruetzner, explaining that staff charged with filling up the underground tanks inadvertently filled one that was already full. The tank overflowed and water ran onto the ground, much of it flowing into the lake.

        OPG said it is working closely with relevant agencies and taking "all conservative, precautionary measures to ensure the public and the environment continue to be protected."

        Tritium can be harmful when ingested in enough quantity. It immediately travels to the gastrointestinal tract and is absorbed uniformly in the bloodstream within two hours. "The health hazard of tritium is associated with cell damage caused by the ionizing radiation that results from radioactive decay," according to the U.S. Argonne National Laboratory.

        Durham Region said in a statement that water sampling and testing is taking place at water supply plants in Oshawa, Bowmanville and Newcastle. "Residents are advised that their water is safe to drink," according to the statement.

        The spill comes a month after the Sierra Club of Canada released a report warning that "routine and accidental releases of tritium" are rising and that accumulation in the environment is a growing health concern. It criticized Canada for allowing tritium levels in drinking water that are 70 times higher than in the European Union and 473 times higher than in California.

        Canada's nuclear safety commission dismissed the Sierra Club report as "junk science," but Linda Keen, former head of the agency, told the Star that community concerns should be taken seriously. She said tritium is an operational byproduct of Candu nuclear reactors, making Canada the world's largest producer of the otherwise rare radioactive isotope.

        "Accumulative effects of tritium are what really worried me (when I was head of the agency), not just the dose at a certain date," she said.
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        • #64
          Thanks asher

          I would never say the oilsands are nice to look at and we have to be careful to steward the environment as best we can but the reality is that they dig up grass and trees which is growing over oily sands and then eventually re-grow gas and trees over less oily sands. The visual blight is large but correctable in time.

          Personally I think the biggest environmental worry comes from the water usage.
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          • #65
            Like that can be restored to anything even close to it's original state.
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            • #66
              Plug your ears and gouge your eyes, Wezil, it's the Ontario Way of Life.
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              • #67
                A couple Albertans tell me it's all good and I should take that as credible? If I link a bunch of critical articles you'll yell "know nothing outsiders" and carry on. Please.
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                • #68
                  I'm trying to detect if you're being sarcastic and trying to bait me. I'm hoping so.

                  I'd never imagine you to be part of the airhead, bubblegum-chewing "tar sands are bad, mmkay" crowd.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Wezil View Post
                    A couple Albertans tell me it's all good and I should take that as credible? If I link a bunch of critical articles you'll yell "know nothing outsiders" and carry on. Please.

                    What's the malfunction?

                    You don't believe that the strip mines can be rehabilitated?

                    By the way, the strip mining method is less energy intensive than the in-situ. It is also more economical. However, not much of the total area of the tarsands are suitable for surface mining.
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Asher View Post
                      I'm trying to detect if you're being sarcastic and trying to bait me. I'm hoping so.

                      I'd never imagine you to be part of the airhead, bubblegum-chewing "tar sands are bad, mmkay" crowd.

                      This started with you griping about ugly power lines in Ontario. I pointed out the ugly industry in your fine province. I'm sure power lines look fine when finally removed as well. The tar sands are ugly and you are in the Benaverse if you say otherwise.
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Wezil View Post
                        This started with you griping about ugly power lines in Ontario. I pointed out the ugly industry in your fine province. I'm sure power lines look fine when finally removed as well. The tar sands are ugly and you are in the Benaverse if you say otherwise.
                        I've pointedly said they're ugly when they're active mines.

                        But those are hundreds of kilometers away from civilization.

                        My Ontario comments are referring to everywhere. The country, the towns, the cities...they're ****ing everywhere and hideous.

                        Even newer communities like in the K-W suburbs put ****ing ugly-ass above-ground power lines everywhere.
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                        • #72
                          I'm still trying to figure out why you have spent years in this godawful province. Surely the Albertan utopia has jobs and education options for a young man like yourself. Why do you continue to slum it here? The SO? No options for him in glorious AB? Quite frankly you sound like Ben slamming the country but refusing to leave.
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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Wezil View Post
                            A couple Albertans tell me it's all good and I should take that as credible? If I link a bunch of critical articles you'll yell "know nothing outsiders" and carry on. Please.

                            This "Albertan" will never tell you "its all good". You should know me well enough by now to know that I never have opinions that simplistic. So shame shame back at you. and since I never said its" all good" I would never propose that idea as credible

                            But if the complaint about the oilsands is that big gaping holes in the earth look awful . . . . I agree it does look awful. . . . and the industry does destroy the overlaying vegetation. BUT the look of the place can and will be reclaimed.

                            Will it be identical? NO. Will there be pretty much the same types of trees and bushes that were there before the miining operation. well yes

                            So limiting things to the visual and the destruction of vegetation only -- That can be fixed. Do I have concerns about long term contamination, water supply issues-- well yes as well.

                            Link away to the critical articles. I may even agree with them depending what they have to say. But my bottom line is that modern industry has challenges and anyone that goes TOO ape on Alberta oilsands should be willing to look at the issues around coal fired power generation (just to take asn example completely at random)

                            So Wezil if you want to talk environment,sure. But please don't lump me in with Asher. I may share some opinions with him but only some as we do differ greatly in viewpoints and debating style.


                            Issues around the environment are nuanced and honest debate around them generally have to be as well. The vast majority of people, when being honest, will admit there is a trade-off in that they are willing to accept a certain level of pollution in order to support their lifestyle. Any person with a car must implicitly accept this. All that is left is an assessment of how much a person is willing to accept. For many, oilsands development seems to go too far. I find this perplexing that so many energy gobbling consumers seem exercized over this development and ignore so many other nast polluters closer to home for them. But then again, its always easier to blame someone else as you take a private jet to a conference to slam others for their environmental damage
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Wezil View Post
                              I'm still trying to figure out why you have spent years in this godawful province. Surely the Albertan utopia has jobs and education options for a young man like yourself. Why do you continue to slum it here? The SO? No options for him in glorious AB? Quite frankly you sound like Ben slamming the country but refusing to leave.

                              I have wondered along similar lines but have thought that perhaps it was simply a case of better job options at this time. But the more asher slams at Ontario, the more I wonder why he doesn't just leave if he finds it so unbearable
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Flubber View Post
                                This "Albertan" will never tell you "its all good". You should know me well enough by now to know that I never have opinions that simplistic. So shame shame back at you. and since I never said its" all good" I would never propose that idea as credible
                                Sorry Flubber, that was actually directed at Asher as he was the one that responded with a flurry of articles.

                                But if the complaint about the oilsands is that big gaping holes in the earth look awful . . . . I agree it does look awful. . . . and the industry does destroy the overlaying vegetation. BUT the look of the place can and will be reclaimed.


                                This was Asher's red herring actually. Heavy industry in any form can be ugly as ****. Ontario happens to require large amounts of power generation and distribution. Factories and industrial sites can be reclaimed afterward as well.

                                As to power lines in new suburbs - Maybe the suburbs of KW like the "industrial" feel as well.

                                Will it be identical? NO. Will there be pretty much the same types of trees and bushes that were there before the miining operation. well yes

                                So limiting things to the visual and the destruction of vegetation only -- That can be fixed. Do I have concerns about long term contamination, water supply issues-- well yes as well.


                                I am skeptical it can ever be put back the way it was. Maybe it will take a nice picture (from a distance) but the up close view will be very different.

                                Link away to the critical articles. I may even agree with them depending what they have to say. But my bottom line is that modern industry has challenges and anyone that goes TOO ape on Alberta oilsands should be willing to look at the issues around coal fired power generation (just to take asn example completely at random)


                                I wasn't going ape on the oil sands. In fact I said:

                                Originally posted by Wezil View Post
                                You can argue the oil sands are a necessary evil and I'll probably agree with you but don't go Ben on me and try to argue it's pretty. It isn't.
                                I stated the obvious and the Alberta Contingent responded like I pee'd in their corn flakes.

                                So Wezil if you want to talk environment,sure. But please don't lump me in with Asher. I may share some opinions with him but only some as we do differ greatly in viewpoints and debating style.


                                Can I lump you in the Alberta Contingent?

                                Issues around the environment are nuanced and honest debate around them generally have to be as well. The vast majority of people, when being honest, will admit there is a trade-off in that they are willing to accept a certain level of pollution in order to support their lifestyle. Any person with a car must implicitly accept this. All that is left is an assessment of how much a person is willing to accept. For many, oilsands development seems to go too far. I find this perplexing that so many energy gobbling consumers seem exercized over this development and ignore so many other nast polluters closer to home for them. But then again, its always easier to blame someone else as you take a private jet to a conference to slam others for their environmental damage
                                That isn't me.

                                Originally posted by Wezil View Post
                                You can argue the oil sands are a necessary evil and I'll probably agree with you but don't go Ben on me and try to argue it's pretty. It isn't.
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