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  • CanPol: National Unity and Climate Change Edition

    What will the Conservative's 2010 climate plan entail? They're between a rock and a hard place here. They can either piss off their base in Alberta or piss off Quebec + Ontario... Either way, regional divisiveness is about to increase.



    National unity at stake in climate strategy, think tank says
    Making Alberta, Sask., meet same greenhouse-gas emissions targets as eastern provinces is recipe for conflict, group contends

    Ottawa's plan to impose national greenhouse-gas emissions targets will spark a fierce political battle among the provinces if it puts too much of the burden on oil-producing provinces, a Calgary-based think tank is warning.

    In a report to be released Thursday, the Canada West Foundation slams proposals that would require Alberta and Saskatchewan to match emission reduction targets of provinces that are less dependent on fossil fuel production.

    The two prairie provinces also say that any national climate-change plan must “acknowledge and accommodate regional differences.”

    Failure to do so could be lead to national unity problems.

    “If we don't, the residents of Alberta and Saskatchewan will suffer unduly and the federation will be severely strained,” it concluded.

    Foundation president Roger Gibbins said the federal Conservatives are planning to impose national caps on emissions that would pummel producers of energy and leave consumers largely off the hook.

    If Ottawa does not turn back from this course, “we're going to be mired in a swamp of regional and interprovincial conflict,” Mr. Gibbins said.

    To date, provincial differences have been somewhat muted because the federal government has not unveiled its plan for reducing emissions by 20 per cent from 2006 levels by 2020.

    Faced with a political minefield, Ottawa has twice delayed the release of its plan, now saying it will come in 2010.

    Environment Minister Jim Prentice said he is waiting for the United States to settle on its climate regulations because Canada's system should be comparable with that of its largest trading partner.

    But a looming political battle is clearly a concern for Mr. Prentice and Prime Minister Stephen Harper, both of whom represent Calgary ridings.

    The governments of Quebec and Ontario – which have embraced more ambitious targets than Ottawa – have expressed concerns that emissions from Alberta's expanding oil sands industry will swamp their reduction efforts.

    Alberta and Saskatchewan insist that any national plan must take into account regional differences, including higher population and economic growth over the past two decades, as well as their reliance on the oil industry and oil-fired electricity.

    The Canada West report notes that international negotiators at the Copenhagen climate summit have recognized the need for differing levels of emissions reductions depending on national circumstances. And it said a similar approach should be adopted in Canada so that the costs are roughly comparable across all provinces. But Canadian environmental groups want provinces that pollute the most to pay the most.

    In a report released this fall, the Pembina Institute and the Suzuki Foundation, said Canada could meet Ottawa's targets and go much further while still enjoying economic growth.

    But that report, which was financed but not endorsed by the TD Bank, suggested that Alberta and Saskatchewan would bear the brunt of the costs associated with meeting those targets.

    While both provincial economies would continue to grow, Alberta's economy would be 8.5 per cent smaller in 2020 than it would be without emission constraints, while Saskatchewan's would be 2.8 per cent smaller, according to the Pembina/Suzuki report. In contrast, Ontario's economy would get a 0.9-per-cent bump compared with business-as-usual, while Quebec's would lose only 0.3 per cent of its potential growth in 2020.

    Average salaries in Alberta would be 6.2 per cent lower in 2020 than they would be without carbon constraints, while Ontario residents would lose only 0.2 per cent off the average pay cheque.

    The approach laid out by the environmental groups – in which each province would contribute a proportionate amount of emissions reductions - would result in a massive transfer of wealth from Alberta and Saskatchewan to other provinces.

    Mr. Gibbons said Ottawa should equalize the impact by imposing a combination of a carbon tax on consumers and emission caps on large emitters, similar to the plan adopted by British Columbia.

    “The perception is that Alberta can afford to pay for these emission reductions,” he said. “The reality on the ground here is that the economy and province are hurting and therefore the negative impact on the province will be greater, and the political push-back will be greater as well.”

    In a release last night, the Pembina Institute criticized the Canada West report for its “doom and gloom” outlook.

    “Their critique seems to be more about protecting Alberta's status quo as a major polluter than advancing solutions that will allow Alberta to prosper and be an environmental leader,” Pembina executive director Marlo Raynolds said.

    He said the Alberta economy would still lead the country in growth, and the oil sands would double in production under the scenario laid out in the Pembina/Suzuki report.
    The Pembina report is awesome. Alberta would prosper by crippling its massively dominant industry. Only something associated with Suzuki could make such an astounding pronouncement.
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    Ottawa's plan to impose national greenhouse-gas emissions targets will spark a fierce political battle among the provinces if it puts too much of the burden on oil-producing provinces, a Calgary-based think tank is warning.
    I'd vote Green if I wanted that Globaloney crap. If Quebec and Ontario want to support crap and trade, let them suffer the consequences.
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    • #3
      An interesting issue from several angles.

      Science and economics are my two worst subjects but the politics are interesting. The Conservatives find themselves in a tough spot on an issue they don't give a damn about. It should be amusing to see where this goes.
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      • #4
        They've already delayed their plan twice. How many more times do you figure they will?
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        • #5
          They will have to do something once (if) the US does. They can delay until then.
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          • #6
            I am guessing they will be able to delay a good long time.
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            • #7
              That's my feeling as well. After watching the health care debacle in the US I can't imagine any significant movement on the environment front anytime soon.
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              • #8
                As to the national unity angle...

                Harper should screw ON and QC in favour of AB. Quebec isn't going anywhere so long as the bribe money keeps coming (the Feds would just need to increase funding in another envelope) and Ontario is way too apathetic to do anything about it. We'll just grumble and get a little poorer.
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                • #9
                  I am hoping it ends up that nobody needs to be screwed.

                  The feds need to do a good job of selling our case internationally. We can do better on the environment without shutting down Alberta. The oil industry has already accepted taxes on emissions that are part of a reasonable programme.
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                  • #10
                    Apparently they are working on it. Fixing some of the idiotic features of Kyoto will help.

                    Not a very good article, but...
                    At this week's global climate talks, some rich nations are prepared to urge more lenient accounting practices to hide a porti...


                    Forested Nations Seek Favorable Accounting Rules in Copenhagen

                    By JESSICA LEBER of ClimateWire
                    Published: December 10, 2009

                    At this week's global climate talks, some rich nations are prepared to urge more lenient accounting practices to hide a portion of their fossil fuel carbon emissions using their trees, environmentalists say.

                    The problem arises as Kyoto Protocol-signing nations now seek to change the rules governing how they gauge their large forest carbon stocks, a complicated issue that has stalled wide-ranging climate talks in the past.

                    Forests are a major portion of the world's carbon stores. Yet timber harvests and other land management practices can dump that carbon back into the atmosphere. On balance, however, industrialized nations' emissions ledgers have benefited from the carbon sequestered in their forests. Generally, these lands are net sinks that are subtracted from their overall greenhouse gas output.

                    The importance of sinks can be substantial. Forest and land-use carbon crediting, for example, reduces the United States' total 2005 emissions by 15 percent, according to a report by the World Resources Institute (WRI). But forests can also be unpredictable. Erratic wildfire seasons have made Canada's forests either net emissions sources or carbon sinks, depending on the year.

                    At ongoing talks in Copenhagen, whether and how forest and land credits are included in an ultimate agreement remains a significant obstacle in the negotiations, experts say. The goal is to nail down the rules before world leaders are pressed to agree to overall targets and baselines next week.

                    Environmentalists are worried that some developed nations, including several heavily forested E.U. nations, Canada, Russia and New Zealand, will succeed in various attempts to secure favorable rules that leave potential for gaming the system. The proposals deal with everything from how to count carbon from croplands, soils and tree plantations to whether countries should be held accountable for their forest fires.

                    Potential to undermine completed pact

                    "The proposals are, right now, so full of potential loopholes that they threaten to undermine a significant part of what gets agreed to at Copenhagen," said Jeff Fiedler, a senior policy adviser with the Nature Conservancy, an influential conservation group.

                    The World Wildlife Fund estimates that one of these provisions being pushed by Austria, Finland and Sweden could result in an agreement that ignores 1 billion tons of carbon dioxide a year -- the equivalent of Japan's total emissions.

                    There is a lot at stake in this relatively low-profile issue. Favorable forest accounting rules give developed nations more room to meet their climate pledges or added leeway to commit to more aggressive overall targets, said Ned Helme, president of the Center for Clean Air Policy.

                    Conservation groups that want to see strong incentives for forest and habitat preservation within a global climate deal also fear a backlash from developing nations.

                    If forested developed nations overreach in molding land accounting rules in their favor, other negotiators may seek the blunt tool of capping the total number of forest credits allowed onto the emissions books -- an outcome that would artificially limit conservation incentives.

                    Bad will could also bleed into parallel discussions on reducing tropical deforestation in developing nations, known by the acronym REDD, said Jason Funk, a forest policy expert at the Environmental Defense Fund.

                    A showstopper in the past

                    Climate talks have collapsed in the past due to the thorny issue of carbon sink accounting. In 2000, when the sixth conference of parties met at The Hague, Netherlands, Europe balked at a U.S. play to hide its fossil fuel emissions in its trees.

                    This time around, negotiators had wanted to complete the rules early to avoid a repeat episode, but at this late stage, there are still outstanding issues, said Funk.

                    Canada -- home to wide swaths of boreal forests that suck up carbon from the atmosphere -- is one country with a lot at stake in how the rules are shaped.

                    Forest carbon sinks could allow Canada to meet its climate pledge while still emitting 12 percent more greenhouse gases than it did in 1990, according to the WRI report. Without those sinks, they would be bound to emit 3 percent less than 1990 levels.

                    In talks at Copenhagen, Canada wants to secure rules to count carbon stored in harvested lumber and other wood products. It also wants to make sure it is not penalized for natural carbon releases over which it has little control.

                    As more trees die due to increasing forest fires and bark beetle infestations -- phenomena whose spread is tied to climate change -- they argue it is unfair to include these emissions.

                    Creative forest accounting gives new 'flexibility'

                    This, they propose, could be addressed by changing the accounting rules. Greenhouse gas accounting rules typically gauge emissions reductions against a baseline tied to a historic year -- say, 1990 or 2005, or any other consistent time frame.

                    Canada, along with forested nations in the European Union and others, now instead want to measure their forest carbon emissions and sinks against a projected "business as usual" future that would occur without climate policies in place.

                    Fiedler noted that these tactics would be considered outrageous if applied to the fossil fuel sector.

                    "Imagine if the U.S. went to Copenhagen and said, 'We're planning on expanding our interstate system, and there will be a lot more driving, and they are all going to be driving SUVs,'" he explained. Such a reference point would give the United States a lot more wiggle room to meet its carbon reduction pledges than if the pledges were measured against concrete historical data.

                    This, Fiedler said, is what is happening with forest and land-use related emissions. "It basically wishes them away," he said.

                    Micheline Joanisse, a spokeswoman for Canada's natural resources department, said using projected baselines allows "flexibility in dealing with uncertainties, irregularities and the impacts of natural disturbances on carbon levels."

                    Furthermore, she said, its proposals would still require that Canada take additional actions to either reduce emissions or increase carbon sinks in forests to earn credits. "They would provide an incentive for all countries to manage their forest to reduce emissions and increase [carbon] removals, which is beneficial to the climate," she said.
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                    • #11
                      The tensions are ratcheting up.



                      Ontario, Quebec say they won’t shoulder oilsands burden

                      COPENHAGEN — Delegations from Ontario and Quebec wasted no time before differentiating their position from the federal government’s after arriving Sunday at the climate change conference in Copenhagen — declaring they weren’t going to carry higher emission-reduction burdens for the sake of oilsands expansion in the Western provinces.

                      "I don’t think it takes a genius to figure out that with the tarsand oils that are being developed in Alberta and Saskatchewan that — of discussions that I’ve seen and been a part of — they want to continue to develop those," said Ontario Environment Minister John Gerretsen.

                      "Obviously if they are developed there might have to be larger greenhouse gas emissions (reductions) elsewhere in the country in order to meet our overall targets. And we want fairness."

                      Gerretsen and Quebec Environment Minister Line Beauchamp held a joint news conference to say the two provinces — home to two-thirds of Canadians — will continue to work together to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions. They also said the federal government’s targets are weak.

                      "I think the federal government seems to certainly want to hear more from the provinces this time around. But I mean in the end result, what is the ultimate target that the federal government is going to set?" he said.

                      "They are simply not in line with what we are doing as provinces."

                      Noting the negative attention Canada has received from environmental groups at the conference, Gerretsen echoed Toronto Mayor David Miller’s comments from earlier in the week. "It can be an embarrassment to us," Gerretsen said. "We would much rather be seen as the consensus-builders, as we have often have been at these international conferences."

                      Ontario is pledging to reduce emissions by 15 per cent below 1990 levels by 2020.

                      Quebec is slightly more ambitious, pledging 20 per cent.

                      On the other hand, Canada has set a national target that will result in greenhouse gas emission reductions of three per cent below 1990 levels by 2020. Alberta’s provincial goal would see emissions continue to rise until 2020, when it’s planned that they will level off and then begin a decline.

                      Alberta Environment Minister Rob Renner will arrive in Copenhagen on Tuesday.

                      "I’m going to Copenhagen as a proud Albertan," Renner said. "Alberta can hold its head high as a responsible major global energy producer already acting to make real greenhouse-gas reduction."

                      In the months leading up to Copenhagen, environmental activist organizations have put a spotlight on Alberta’s oilsands development. But Renner said there is no reason to single out Alberta’s oil activity over development in Venezuela or California.

                      "Alberta is committed to do our share and we’re not asking (for) any kind of special concessions or any kind of exemptions for the oilsands," he said.

                      "We’re simply saying that if there are going to be . . . targets established for the oil and gas industry on a worldwide basis, let’s ensure that Alberta’s oilsands are not singled out."

                      In Copenhagen on Sunday, Gerretsen said there are two discussions that need to take place: one about worldwide greenhouse gas reductions, the other about the level of reductions in each individual part of Canada.

                      "What should happen internally within Canada when one part of the country apparently wants to have lower reduction targets than the rest of Canada? Those are the kind of decisions that we’ll have to work on internally. And quite frankly, I don’t think that Copenhagen is the best place to do that."
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                      • #12
                        The Star, of course, has an article that's pompous.



                        My favourite part is this:
                        Canada's yet-to-be-released national plan to cut carbon emissions, harmonize environmental policies with those emerging in the United States and ultimately comply with the terms of an emissions treaty being hammered out this week in Copenhagen, has every province outside of Alberta and Saskatchewan nervous.


                        The OTHER provinces are nervous about the results of this conference? They're the ones begging and pleading to be held to more aggressive reduction targets. If they think Canada is playing it conservative federally, they're ****ing welcome to way outdo that provincially.

                        It's ALBERTA AND SASKATCHEWAN that are nervous as hell. The rest of the country would love to see their economies rapidly crippled in the name of appearing greener in the world image.

                        What a ****ing load of horse****.

                        They also include choices passages like this in their article:
                        Jim Prentice, the federal environment minister, indicated in the fall to his provincial counterparts that whatever plan emerges will allow the oilsands to grow. But that could mean an unequal burden on the rest of the federation to reduce emissions.

                        Yes, it would be the UNEQUAL BURDEN. It's far more fair to ask Alberta to harm its economy in a manner FAR disproportionate to the rest of the country for the sake of meeting these targets.
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                        • #13
                          And now for some of my favourite comments on that Star article:

                          Who needs Alberta

                          Ontario certainly doesn't need the economic benefits of being in the same country as all that dirty oilworth hundreds of billions of dollars. Lets let Alberta go it alone. After a few years on their own or as part of the USA they will come back with their tail between their legs.


                          Reality Cheque

                          Green is not a Conservative trait. The only thing the Harper government care about is catering to the West and the oil industry. Under the conservative government, carbon output has increased. Canada has become one of the major polluter of the G-8. The country needs to head in a different direction with green technology and a government with that is more in tune with the future not the past.


                          Ouch Another Punch to Harper's Gultinous Gut.

                          I guess these people are tired of hearing Harper and Prentice say that Canada's policy is whatever the United States does DUH. In every aspect of governing the country the theo-cons have failed and now more and more people are starting to realize it.
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                          • #14
                            It would be interesting to hear from the finance ministers from Ontario and Quebec about their feelings on petroleum industry development in Alberta and Saskatchewan.

                            I have no idea how this will all play out. There is a jumbled mess of priorities and conflicts nationally and internationally.
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                            • #15
                              I'm sure our FM would tell you we are broke. McGuinty and crew are currently engaged in their second major tax increase in an effort to pay the bills.
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