ACORN: Housing Assistance For Prostitutes

[Asher]

Seriously, when you deliberately drag on a troll of Serb as long as humanly possible, is that somehow evidence that you're in league with Georgian intelligence?

Are you demonstrating stupidity here to help my point or to piss me off?

[Darius871]

Seriously, when you deliberately drag on a troll of Serb as long as humanly possible, is that somehow evidence that you're in league with Georgian intelligence?

[Asher]

But why? You think a trained journalist and postgrad-educated adult couldn't be smart enough to realize that stretching out the releases to post-date the target's response would both maximize the impact of the point being made and also prolong the attention-whore orgasm?

Yes.

Christ, a trained monkey could figure that out. It's not that GOP strategists wouldn't tend to be interested or that this duo wouldn't tend to take their advice, but rather that they don't need any advice on the best method to prolong the controversy. It's common sense.

It's not common sense, why do you think PR firms are so successful? A lot of people are a lot dumber than you think.

Take, for instance, people who don't understand the probable connection between the GOP and these people, seeing as the GOP has actively targeted ACORN for quite a while.

[Darius871]

The strategists are obvously involved in how to maximize the impact of the video.

But why? You think a trained journalist and postgrad-educated adult couldn't be smart enough to realize that stretching out the releases to post-date the target's response would both maximize the impact of the point being made and also prolong the attention-whore orgasm? Christ, a trained monkey could figure that out. It's not that GOP strategists wouldn't tend to be interested or that this duo wouldn't tend to take their advice, but rather that they don't need any advice on the best method to prolong the controversy. It's common sense.

[Asher]

Of course there is no evidence, which is why they win even if you're right. Even circumstantial evidence like these two having been in the College Republicans, being registered with the GOP, having written a right-leaning op-ed in college, attending certain conferences, etc. etc. etc. might take you beyond the realm of idle speculation, but after a week of opportunity for GOP hit squads' counterparts on the left to dig up any such thing, I'm still not seeing it.

Let's face it, any attention whore with an empty summer and some bucks could have pulled this off without the need for... whatever sort of guidance you assume GOP "strategists" would have tended to give had they known all about this. Hell, you or I could have pulled this off if we didn't have to work. What advice could strategists have offered that would have even been particularly useful, or not obvious to any thinking person? Frankly, it's so incredibly easy to do I'm surprised that it doesn't happen way more often to a variety of organizations.

The strategists are obvously involved in how to maximize the impact of the video.

[Darius871]

Of course there's no direct evidence. But I hope I don't need to lecture you on the basics of Rove-ian politics in the past decade, do I?

We can't state for certain if the GOP is involved, but the good money is on it.

Of course there is no evidence, which is why they win even if you're right. Even circumstantial evidence like these two having been in the College Republicans, being registered with the GOP, having written a right-leaning op-ed in college, attending certain conferences, etc. etc. etc. might take you beyond the realm of idle speculation, but after a week of opportunity for GOP hit squads' counterparts on the left to dig up any such thing, I'm still not seeing it.

Let's face it, any attention whore with an empty summer and some bucks could have pulled this off without the need for... whatever sort of guidance you assume GOP "strategists" would have tended to give had they known all about this. Hell, you or I could have pulled this off if we didn't have to work. What advice could strategists have offered that would have even been particularly useful, or not obvious to any thinking person? Frankly, it's so incredibly easy to do I'm surprised that it doesn't happen way more often to a variety of organizations.

[rah]

I'll be the first to agree that this suspiciously looks like a hatchet job.
But that doesn't mean there's not a problem here. Which many (not asher obviously) don't want to see.

[Asher]

Of course there's no direct evidence. But I hope I don't need to lecture you on the basics of Rove-ian politics in the past decade, do I?

We can't state for certain if the GOP is involved, but the good money is on it.

[Darius871]

People who don't think this is a form of "evil plot" are being absurd. If it was just a good Samaritan trying to raise awareness, he'd have just released all he knew about it. Not travel the country stockpiling a bunch of videos then releasing them at strategic times. This is bigger than some fake pimp and his real-life ho.

I don't think anyone here's talking about a "Samaritan" here. Looking at the creators what I see are a law student and an aspiring journalist trying to stir up manufactured controversy to make names for themselves, both to advance their careers and to stroke their egos with 15 minutes of fame. The pattern of releases would be consistent with those motives. While I see selfish motives and think they're by no means laudable public servants, that's not evidence of active concert with the GOP or any ancillary hit squad. If there is any such evidence, by all means show it to me.

[Asher]

To be honest the fact that they just didn't release all of the videos at once is kind of pissing me off. They're obvious not about just getting the truth out there, but to make a political statement out of it and keep it in the news long enough. So yeah, I actually believe the GOP strategists are involved here.

But 3 is a bit absurd. Reform ACORN's training policies, set firm rules for this, move on.

People who don't think this is a form of "evil plot" are being absurd. If it was just a good Samaritan trying to raise awareness, he'd have just released all he knew about it. Not travel the country stockpiling a bunch of videos then releasing them at strategic times. This is bigger than some fake pimp and his real-life ho.

[rah]

Even if it's a dozen, they'll still defend it. IT's just an evil plot from the right,

[Darius871]

This is funny. They did the same thing in New York.

I think we're well beyond gotchas.

OK, does anyone want to argue now that three's a fluke too? One has to ask how many other videos are in O'Keefe's back pocket...

[rah]

So would you agree the GOP should be outlawed based on two instances of vote fraud?

If the dems would be be outlawed in chicago, I'd agree with that.
A fresh start would be welcome.

[DanS]

This is funny. They did the same thing in New York.

I think we're well beyond gotchas.

[Drake Tungsten]

It's very important all swaths of society vote, and the low-income urban population needs to vote more.