President caves in completely

[Drake Tungsten]

Wilson wins?

The controversy over Republican Rep. Joe Wilson's shouting out "You Lie!" at the President over his claim that illegal immigrants wouldn't benefit from health-care reform apparently sparked some reconsideration of the relevant language. "We really thought we'd resolved this question of people who are here illegally, but as we reflected on the President's speech last night we wanted to go back and drill down again," said Senator Kent Conrad, one of the Democrats in the talks after a meeting Thursday morning. Baucus later that afternoon said the group would put in a proof of citizenship requirement to participate in the new health exchange — a move likely to inflame the left.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0909/Wilson_wins.html

[chequita guevara]

Yeah, let's not let an important section of our population have access to health care, so they can get sick and be a disease vector among us.

[Elok]

? It isn't about the supposed respect due the President, at least not to me. It's just generally in very poor taste to interrupt someone (especially during a speech). We learn that in kindergarten on this side of the pond. Our not having a phony parasite leader who does nothing but soak up worship and money has nothing to do with it.

[Straybow]

[Q=Zkribbler;5672632]Happy are you that Wilson decided to call Obama a liar in the middle of his speech??

First, Wilson's interruption was unspeakably rude. [/Q] Wah! Dems booed Bush's State of the Union address a few years ago.

Second, Wilson's charge of "A Lie!!" has no foundation in fact:

SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED
ALIENS.
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments
for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are
not lawfully present in the United States.

It took me about 20 minutes to find this section. Too bad Congressman Wilson couldn't invest the same amount of time.

But illegals will still be given services they won't have money or insurance to pay for, and thus will partake of the funds taxed from us.

Second, the Dems intend to grant millions of illegals amnesty, and thus they will not be excluded by this section.

It is a lie nonetheless by intent and by consequence, if not in the letter of the text.

If anyone is using the "big lie" tactic, it is Obama and the Dems.

[chequita guevara]

[Q=Zkribbler;5672632]Happy are you that Wilson decided to call Obama a liar in the middle of his speech??

First, Wilson's interruption was unspeakably rude. [/Q] Wah! Dems booed Bush's State of the Union address a few years ago.

And the GOP booed Clinton. BFD. Don't even pretend as if the political environment in this country wasn't created by the GOP and its supporters.

Second, Wilson's charge of "A Lie!!" has no foundation in fact:

SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED
ALIENS.
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments
for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are
not lawfully present in the United States.

It took me about 20 minutes to find this section. Too bad Congressman Wilson couldn't invest the same amount of time.

But illegals will still be given services they won't have money or insurance to pay for, and thus will partake of the funds taxed from us.

They are taxed for it too.

Anyway, nice Christian sentiment about ****ing over the poor. Your savior must be so proud of you.

[Drake Tungsten]

Obama is a liar.

Pro-Life Congressmen and Planned Parenthood Agree: Health Care Bill Funds Abortion

In his address to a joint session of Congress on Wednesday night, President Barack Obama said the health care plan he is pushing will not provide federal money for abortions. But pro-life congressmen and Planned Parenthood agree that abortion would be covered under the plan under an amendment sponsored by Rep. Lois Capps (D.-Calif.).

“One more misunderstanding I want to clear up,” Obama said Wednesday night. “Under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions.”

Pro-life members of Congress and Stop the Abortion Mandate, a coalition of pro-life groups, responded to Obama’s remarks at a press conference Thursday on Capitol Hill.

Rep. Joseph Pitts (R-Pa..) co-sponsored an amendment with Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) that would prohibited federal funding of abortion in the health care plan, but it was voted down by the House Energy and Commerce Committee. Pitts said the bill will use taxpayer dollars to fund abortions.

He also said an amendment sponsored by Rep. Lois Capps (D-Calif.) that was approved by the committee will actually mandate federal payment for elective abortions. ...

Pro-life advocates aren’t alone in their conclusion that the House bill will allow federally funded abortions.

The non-partisan Web site, Factcheck.org agreed in its own analysis of the bill.

“Despite what Obama said, the House bill would allow abortions to be covered by a federal plan and by federally subsidized private plans,” the analysis said.

Planned Parenthood, which was assured by Obama during his presidential campaign that his health plan “will provide essential services, including reproductive services,” has expressed its support for the House bill.

In a Sept. 3 article on the “Daily Kos” Web site, Planned Parenthood Vice President Laurie Rubiner explained that the Capps amendment mandates that at least one insurance plan offering services to federally subsidized insurance purchasers must cover abortion. Rubiner described this as a compromise with what she called “anti-choice” groups. But the fact of the matter is that the amendment—even as described by Rubiner—mandates that people buying health insurance with federal dollars be able to buy abortion coverage.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/53857

[Dinner]

Study after study by the Media Research Center, the parent organization of CNSNews.com, clearly demonstrate a liberal bias in many news outlets – bias by commission and bias by omission – that results in a frequent double-standard in editorial decisions on what constitutes "news."

Do you have a link to an actual news site and not some crappy wing nut site which admits to being right wing? You basically just offered us something like a WorldNut Daily article.

[Drake Tungsten]

You can go check FactCheck.org for yourself, if you want.

****...

[Dinner]

Other top articles at Drake's own wing nut site:

"Obama Won’t Give Federal Insurance Benefits to Illegal Aliens, He’ll Make Them Legal First"

"Pelosi: We'll ‘Squeeze’ Medicare to Pay for Health Care Bill"

"Democrat Health Care Bills Do Not Require Applicants to Verify Citizenship"

All of which are obvious and complete lies. Drake needs to stop pretending some wing nut site represents real news and come up with a main stream outlet. Something which is respectable and actually news instead of just a partisan hack machine.

[Drake Tungsten]

All of which are obvious and complete lies.

1. Obama supports comprehensive immigration reform that will grant amnesty to illegal aliens currently in the US.

2. Pelosi is on video saying exactly that.

3. The Democratic healthcare bills do not require verification of immigration status. I posted an article earlier in this very thread about how Dems in the Senate are thinking about adding such a verification requirement to their version of healthcare reform in response to Joe Wilson's exposure of Obama's lies.

You are such a ****ing moron, Oerdin.

[DaShi]

Obama has been tougher on immigration than Bush.

[Drake Tungsten]

That's not saying much.

[chequita guevara]

1. Although efforts have been made to reform the health care industry since 1912, we should not be too hasty in enacting change.

2. The federal government has no business interfering in peoples health care decisions, unless a woman is trying to terminate a pregnancy, or the patient’s last name is Schiavo.

3. The government is incapable of running anything efficiently, and if allowed to offer a health care option, will run it so efficiently that it will put private insurers out of business.

4. We are a Christian nation, and we don’t believe in helping the least among us. Some people just don’t deserve health care. Getting sick is God's punishment for doing something wrong.

5. The current system, with 47,000,000 uninsured, a million medical bankruptcies annually, and 18,000 deaths annually due to lack of insurance, is working just fine. In fact, we have the best health care system in the world!

6. Even though many older couples are forced to divorce in order to avoid catastrophic financial losses due to medical expenses, it’s the homosexuals who are destroying families.

7. A conversation with your doctor about end-of-life issues is an opportunity for your doctor to convince you to kill yourself.

8. We can afford to spend more on our military than all other nations combined, but we can’t afford universal health care.

9. Single-payer, government-run health care is good enough for our men and women in uniform, but to offer the same to the general public would be socialism.

10. Pooling our resources to provide roads, schools, clean water, military, police, and fire protection for each other is not socialism. Pooling our resources to provide each other health care is socialism.

11. Socialism is bad. Very bad. Bad!

12. Health care is an issue best handled by individual states; like slavery.

13. We can afford to subsidize Israel , Iraq , and Afghanistan , all of whom have universal health care, but we can’t afford it ourselves.

14. Money and corporate profits are more important than peoples’ health. Sure, reforming the insurance companies would save thousands of lives, but shareholders’ portfolios might be damaged.

15. Freeing people from holding on to their dead-end jobs for the insurance and allowing them to become entrepreneurs would bankrupt our country.

16. Someone like physicist Stephen Hawking would have been allowed to die under the British health care system. Oh, he’s British? And alive? Never mind.

17. We already have universal health care: it’s called the Emergency Room. Uninsured people can go there for all their health needs (checkups, cancer pre-screening, chemotherapy, etc.), and it only costs the taxpayers a few thousand dollars per visit.

18. The Obama health care initiative is part of the liberal- communist-Nazi- socialist-Islamofascist-gay-atheist-zombie-transsexual-cannibal- sociopath- evolutionist agenda to take away your freedom! If this plan is passed, abortions will be mandatory, schoolchildren will be raped by their teachers, and Negroes will murder your Grandma with her pillow!

[Imran Siddiqui]

You can't just post that without attribution from where you got it from

[chequita guevara]