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    US ambitions for manned space exploration have hit a major hurdle in the wake of severe budget constraints, according to preliminary findings of a panel appointed by President Barack Obama.

    Reaching Mars was deemed too risky while returning to the Moon by 2020 was ruled out barring an additional three billion dollars per year to replace the retiring space shuttle fleet and build bigger rockets, according to the group led by Norm Augustine, a former CEO of US aerospace giant Lockheed Martin.

    "Really, we've given the White House a dilemma. The space program we have today, the human space flight program, really isn't executable with the money we have," Augustine told PBS public television last week.

    "So either we have to do something with the current program that's not going to be very successful, I'm afraid, or spend a nontrivial sum more than that to have something that's really exciting and workable, and that's the challenge the White House is going to have, is to sort that out."

    NASA allocates about 10 billion of its 18-billion-dollar annual budget on human space flight.

    The outlook is bleak, with maintenance of the almost-completed International Space Station (ISS) through 2020 the only remaining viable project.

    But the US space agency will be unable to transport its astronauts beyond 2010 due to the planned retirement of its current shuttle fleet, depending instead on Russia's Soyouz spacecraft until at least 2015 when the new Orion crew exploration vehicle and its accompanying Ares I rocket will be ready.

    Also in the works is a plan to use commercial rockets to ensure transportation to and from the ISS.

    The Review of US Human Space Flight Plans Committee, which presented its preliminary findings to the White House on Friday, will issue a final report on August 31 following a series of public meetings across the country.

    Augustine said the panel, created by Obama shortly after he took office in January to review the space program launched in 2004 by his predecessor George W. Bush, would present four main options in its report.

    Even if a manned mission to Mars remains a long shot for now, it's a "logical place that you'd ultimately like to wind up," Augustine said, while noting the many technical challenges facing such an endeavor.

    He pointed to the little-known effects of galactic cosmic rays on human beings exposed to outer space for prolonged periods of time -- a footnote to keep in mind for travel to Mars, a 260-day roundtrip undertaking that Augustine said would probably also require one year on the red planet.

    The White House could take months to decide its course of action, said John Logsdon, former director of the Space Policy Institute at George Washington University.

    "We have inherited one of the many failed promises of the Bush administration -- to set out a very good program without providing the resources to fund it," he told AFP, urging a new direction.

    "We have lived an illusion for five years."

    The US space shuttle program and the ISS, he said, "were a mistake" when compared to the Apollo Project that landed man on the moon for the first time.
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    Read the article, but the summary is that Russia and Europe are signing new agreements to cooperate on space exploration.

    This is absolutely unacceptable, and something we should hold our leaders accountable for. While we are wasting time engaging in partisan politics over health care, we are at major risk of being left behind in fields that really matter. You may think the space program isn't important, but many of the things we take for granted today are a result of the space program.

    Look at how little we spend on space - NASA only has a budget of $18 billion, and we can't even afford the $3 billion to replace the Shuttle - and if we don't do so by 2010, we'll have no way to get to space, absent using Russian rockets.

    Obama is throwing around hundreds of billions of dollars like it's pocket change, but he's ignoring vital programs like the space program, which in comparison to his pet projects such as national health care, the stimulus package, etc., actually IS pocket change.

    Well, the good news is the Democrats and Obama especially are suffering heavily at the polls. The bad news is, the Republicans who replace them will be no better. Space isn't politically sexy, and the American public is too goddamned stupid to care anyway, so I guess I shouldn't really blame the Obamacrats nearly as much as I should blame the ignorant mouth breathing fools who populate this country.
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    ****ing idiots. Let's spend some more money on short term goals. Damn.

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    • #3
      Interesting use of the word officially.
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      • #4
        Well...you know
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        • #5
          What did you expect from Obama? The only way he would be interested is if he could put the first black guy on the moon.
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          • #6
            Government spending on the space program (and in fact on all science) is almost completely wasteful. The control mechanisms to ensure that spending is directed to worthwhile goals are ineffective in the extreme. A much more fruitful use of government money would be to engage in patent buyouts (with payouts to the patent holder significantly higher than the currently privately-appropriable value)
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            • #7
              Sterilize the US electorate and let smarter people inhabit the continent.
              You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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              • #8
                @ BK. Come to think of it, at the space program too. As long as we can get satellites and missiles into orbit, and missiles out of orbit and accurately on people we wish to vaporize, I'm not too fussed about our ability to land humans on uninhabitable rocks for outrageous sums of money. Yes, the outrageous sums are tiny in comparison to the outrageous sums we spend on other things, but those outrageous sums might at least theoretically achieve something useful.
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                • #9
                  Government spending on the space program (and in fact on all science) is almost completely wasteful. The control mechanisms to ensure that spending is directed to worthwhile goals are ineffective in the extreme. A much more fruitful use of government money would be to engage in patent buyouts (with payouts to the patent holder significantly higher than the currently privately-appropriable value)
                  While that may be true, the same could be said for most government spending. Certainly it is likely to be true of increased government control over health care, for example. Hell, look at the cash for clunkers program - the government couldn't even manage that!

                  I certainly agree the private sector can and should play a greater role in space, but I also think that the government-run space program (ie, Apollo) does have a proven success record. We should also look at making NASA more efficient - and if that means (for example, although I'm certainly not convinced this is the best approach) folding NASA into the USAF and running it along military lines, I'm fine with that. I'm all for militarizing space, so long as the US is there first and slams the gate behind them.
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                  • #10
                    @ BK. Come to think of it, at the space program too. As long as we can get satellites and missiles into orbit, and missiles out of orbit and accurately on people we wish to vaporize, I'm not too fussed about our ability to land humans on uninhabitable rocks for outrageous sums of money. Yes, the outrageous sums are tiny in comparison to the outrageous sums we spend on other things, but those outrageous sums might at least theoretically achieve something useful.
                    Oddly enough, the tiny in comparison sums of money we have spent on space in the past have given a FAR bigger return than the enormous sums of federal money we've spent on things such as education and poverty.
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                    • #11

                      I certainly agree the private sector can and should play a greater role in space, but I also think that the government-run space program (ie, Apollo) does have a proven success record.


                      You have a strange definition of "success". Putting a dozen men on the moon at an insane cost with no real other benefits?

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                      • #12
                        I think its kinda ok to cut some of the NASA budget at this time, with the expectation it'll be raised in better economic times.
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                        • #13
                          Come to think of it, at the space program too. As long as we can get satellites and missiles into orbit, and missiles out of orbit and accurately on people we wish to vaporize, I'm not too fussed about our ability to land humans on uninhabitable rocks for outrageous sums of money. Yes, the outrageous sums are tiny in comparison to the outrageous sums we spend on other things, but those outrageous sums might at least theoretically achieve something useful.
                          The US should be able to own the moon. If you do that, then there will be tons of incentive to return and make moonbases.

                          Seriously, we could export all the manufacturing out there and strip mine the hell out of the moon for millenia.
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                          • #14
                            The estimates I've seen are that the social returns of private R&D are above 50% per annum while those of government R&D are indistinguishable from 0.

                            Gov't research sponsorship
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                            • #15
                              You have a strange definition of "success". Putting a dozen men on the moon at an insane cost with no real other benefits?
                              Try again, KH. Putting men on the Moon - ahead of the Soviets - was the goal of the Apollo Program. It met the goal it set out to achieve, therefore the Apollo Program was a success.

                              Unlike, say, the War on Drugs, War on Poverty, federal education and health care spending, and the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan - of those MASSIVE outlays of government spending, only the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which ironically enough receive the most opposition to anything we are discussing, have achieved any measure of success.
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