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Try again, KH. Putting men on the Moon - ahead of the Soviets - was the goal of the Apollo Program. It met the goal it set out to achieve, therefore the Apollo Program was a success.
Unlike, say, the War on Drugs, War on Poverty, federal education and health care spending, and the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan - of those MASSIVE outlays of government spending, only the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which ironically enough receive the most opposition to anything we are discussing, have achieved any measure of success.
Well, say I'm a congressman. I have an objective: "I wanna get me a blowjob." To meet this objective, I spend ten thousand dollars of taxpayer money to buy hookers, intending to get about ten really nice blowjobs out of it from as many different women. Instead, all of the hookers give me an extra job for paying so well, plus half of them offer to give me conventional sex at no extra charge. I have more than doubled my stated goals using a relatively small amount of money. Would you say I am a greater statesman than all the U.S. Presidents combined, or just greater than any single one?
Well, say I'm a congressman. I have an objective: "I wanna get me a blowjob." To meet this objective, I spend ten thousand dollars of taxpayer money to buy hookers, intending to get about ten really nice blowjobs out of it from as many different women. Instead, all of the hookers give me an extra job for paying so well, plus half of them offer to give me conventional sex at no extra charge. I have more than doubled my stated goals using a relatively small amount of money. Would you say I am a greater statesman than all the U.S. Presidents combined, or just greater than any single one?
No, but I would say you successfully achieved your goal.
Whether anyone else would think it worthwhile, and whether or not you provided any benefit whatsoever, is another question entirely. Jesus, how thick can you be?
KH,
You should have realized that this is what I was referring to before this.
I figured it was. It also explains a few things - honestly, I thought most people knew I had changed my views on some things. Then again, most of my posting over the past couple of years has just been trolling for my own amusement, so I can understand the confusion
The US should be able to own the moon. If you do that, then there will be tons of incentive to return and make moonbases.
Seriously, we could export all the manufacturing out there and strip mine the hell out of the moon for millenia.
Yes, yes we could. Just as soon as the cost of whatever metals are available on the moon rises above the cost of launching a multi-ton rocket into orbit, building a mining facility on the moon, and hauling all that crap back to earth. Repeatedly.
My point is not that we should spend money inefficiently, my point is that we should not STOP spending money on the space program.
I don't think we agree. I don't believe that the money we spend now is doing any good. We would not miss NASA if the funding went away. In fact, I believe we would be better off, since NASA employees would then be able to work on worthwhile space and non-space activities.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
I thought most people knew I had changed my views on some things. Then again, most of my posting over the past couple of years has just been trolling for my own amusement, so I can understand the confusion
Have you even posted in the last couple of years?
You can't disappear, show up again and then expect that people know that you've changed your mind on certain things.
I don't think we agree. I don't believe that the money we spend now is doing any good. We would not miss NASA if the funding went away.
Fair enough. I just think that NASA has achieved greater results in the past 50 years than most other government agencies. I'm all for replacing NASA with a better system - actually I think I mentioned that earlier in the thread. My main point, though, is that if we choose to ignore space entirely, we are doing ourselves a great disservice.
KH,
True, I haven't really posted that much in the past year or two. Been too busy drinking
You can't disappear, show up again and then expect that people know that you've changed your mind on certain things.
I hear you. I have, in some threads, made similar argument WRT government spending. I can see how you would think I'm being intellectually dishonest, since I never really did come out and say I look at things a little differently now.
My main point, though, is that if we choose to ignore space entirely, we are doing ourselves a great disservice.
I would not ignore space if NASA went away. Neither would you. Neither would any number of people.
So what's the problem? Why do you believe that we should always suck at Uncle Sam's nipple?
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
I don't believe that -in fact, the opposite is true.
However, Obama is NOT proposing an alternative to NASA. He - and let's face it, both sides of the political spectrum - are largely ignoring space altogether. Dubya paid some lip service to it, but didn't really do anything. The space program just isn't politically sexy enough, at least not anymore, to prioritize. I think that's a problem, and it's also a problem that regardless of the objective benefits of something, that something will often be ignored by the politicians if it won't directly help their chances at re-election.
God, you're a ****ing comrade, David. Do you get a letter in the mail from the gov't every day telling you what you should do and think.
Disgusting. Objectionable.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
Yes, yes we could. Just as soon as the cost of whatever metals are available on the moon rises above the cost of launching a multi-ton rocket into orbit, building a mining facility on the moon, and hauling all that crap back to earth. Repeatedly.
Far easier to send it back than to send it up. Most of that is sunk cost.
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