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  • #76
    Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
    Now, now, Siro... you are moving goalposts. The original quote was:

    black people in the US are far, far, far more likely to commit murder than are Arab Israelis


    Nothing about their percentage of the population or whatnot, but simply at the levels of murder they commit.
    how would you measure likelyhood to commit murder, if not by comparing the %of group perpetrators / % of group in population?

    Don't tell me you think comparing absolute numbers is a meaningful method?

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    • #77
      how would you measure likelyhood to commit murder, if not by comparing the %of group perpetrators / % of group in population?


      "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
      -Bokonon

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      • #78
        Using my powers of stajdamisticts, I estimate that the likelyhood that a person from Earth murders a human being is 100% (100% of all murders are committed by Earthlings/100% of the population are Earthlings). Odds are, the last poor black American you saw is a serial killer.

        People. Stop trying to kill me.
        "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
        -Bokonon

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        • #79
          uh, serial killers are all white males

          black dudes usually kill each other for drugs, money, or due to poorly worded yo mama jokes.
          Monkey!!!

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          • #80
            That's what teh internets want you to believe. Learn some probabibalbihdydity theory.
            "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
            -Bokonon

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            • #81
              I suscriibe to possibility theory instead
              Monkey!!!

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Ramo View Post
                how would you measure likelyhood to commit murder, if not by comparing the %of group perpetrators / % of group in population?


                what's an accepted statistical measure for gaining insight into a group's "predןsposition" for crime / deadlyness?

                If I want to prove that Blacks are more 'murderous' than Israeli arabs, I need to compare their invovement in murders in the USA to the involvement of Israeli arabs in murders in Israel. Dividing this by their actual percentage in the population should compensate for the different % of blacks in US and arabs in Israel.

                This is how I see it reasonable to even start comparing something along the line of what KH claims.

                If there's a different way, I'm all ears.
                Last edited by Sirotnikov; August 17, 2009, 17:31.

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                • #83


                  Siro. What exactly is a probability distribution that doesn't sum to one?

                  The degree to which a subset of the population commits a murder more than the mean is NOT the likelyhood of that subset commuting a murder [over a given period]. The latter is exactly what a reasonable person would think it would be.
                  "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                  -Bokonon

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Sirotnikov View Post
                    What ever point Che was trying to prove about evil racist Israel - this case has provoked an out-pour of sympathy in Israeli blogs,forums, and media. Racists exist everywhere, and Israel is no exception. The little girl has perfectly reasonable chances of getting some sort of reparation in court. Its not clear to me if the day care manager will be punished, it being a private venue.
                    I probably should have highlighted the really offensive point, that Israel spends 1/10th as much per Arab (non-Jewish) student as per Jewish.
                    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by chequita guevara View Post
                      I probably should have highlighted the really offensive point, that Israel spends 1/10th as much per Arab (non-Jewish) student as per Jewish.
                      Yeah. See Bobby Joe in the Abu Dhabi National? Not going to cut it for me as proof, bucko.

                      For that matter, his claim of segregation is an outright lie, disproven by his own article. Arab students can attend any public school they like.
                      "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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                      • #86
                        Then read where Siro authenticated it, and STFU.
                        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Ramo View Post
                          how would you measure likelyhood to commit murder, if not by comparing the %of group perpetrators / % of group in population?


                          I think Siro might have bitten down on that ****** stick extra hard this morning.
                          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                          Stadtluft Macht Frei
                          Killing it is the new killing it
                          Ultima Ratio Regum

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                          • #88
                            Seriously, Siro, you are ****ing retarded. I'm not even angry with you, but you're still going on ignore for 48 hours for being a complete ****ing buffoon.
                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
                            Killing it is the new killing it
                            Ultima Ratio Regum

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by OzzyKP View Post
                              This isn't in the West Bank (as far as I can tell) this story seems to be talking about Arab-Israeli citizens. So by your same logic the US could say segregate all Mexican-American kids into their own schools, fund them a tenth less than other schools and say "well, if you want equal education, go back to Mexico." (again, citizens, not illegal immigrants).

                              (or black, or chinese or... anyone).
                              Actually it would be more like segregating Native Americans or Hispanic-Americans who can trace their families living in Texas or California to back before Americans arrived. Tell them to go back to Mexico.
                              "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Sirotnikov View Post

                                Anti-discrimination laws apply to public places and applying them to privately-owned day cares is not simple.
                                Here in the US it is that simple. Anti-discrimintaion laws DO apply to private day cares. Now if the day care decided to make Kosher habits mandatory, along with daily readings from the Torah and a bunch of other Jewish religious education and observances then the Arab girls parents wouldn't have a thing to complain about.
                                "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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