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    A politician who is going to break his promise not to increase taxes on middle class.

    I'm glad I voted for Obama for other reasons, instead of because I believed his hoodwinking promise on "no increased taxes for middle class." This is just for those who are still starry-eyed on everything about Obama.

    Read My Lips . . .

    By PHILIP ELLIOTT, Associated Press Writer Philip Elliott, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 49 mins ago

    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama's treasury secretary said Sunday he cannot rule out higher taxes to help tame an exploding budget deficit, and his chief economic adviser would not dismiss raising them on middle-class Americans as part of a health care overhaul.

    As the White House sought to balance campaign rhetoric with governing, officials appeared willing to extend unemployment benefits. With former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan saying he is "pretty sure we've already seen the bottom" of the recession, Obama aides sought to defend the economic stimulus and calm a jittery public.

    Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and National Economic Council Director Larry Summers both sidestepped questions on Obama's intentions about taxes. Geithner said the White House was not ready to rule out a tax hike to lower the federal deficit; Summers said Obama's proposed health care overhaul needs funding from somewhere.

    "There is a lot that can happen over time," Summers said, adding that the administration believes "it is never a good idea to absolutely rule things out, no matter what."

    During his presidential campaign, Obama repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." But the simple reality remains that his ambitious overhaul of how Americans receive health care — promised without increasing the federal deficit — must be paid for.

    "If we want an economy that's going to grow in the future, people have to understand we have to bring those deficits down. And it's going to be difficult, hard for us to do. And the path to that is through health care reform," Geithner said. "We're not at the point yet where we're going to make a judgment about what it's going to take."

    Selling that proposal, however, has proved tricky.

    On Friday, the government released a report that suggested the worst recession in the United States since World War II appears on the verge of ending. The economy dipped only slightly in the second quarter of this year — falling at a 1 percent annual pace, better than expected.

    The president cautioned against instant turnaround, though.

    "Well, as I've said, I think we maybe are beginning to see the end of the recession, but it's still going to be some time before we are seeing companies hiring again. That's usually the last thing that happens," Obama said in an interview with Univision that aired on Sunday.

    "So I think we are still going to have a tough remainder of the year — probably until next year — but, you know, at least what we are seeing — we've pulled back from the possibility of a depression. That's not the danger."

    Many analysts think the economy is starting to grow again in the current quarter, setting up a long-awaited recovery.

    "Most private forecasters — and let's use their judgment — suggest you're going to see unemployment start to come down maybe beginning in the second half of next year," Geithner said, adding those same economists predict positive growth during the second half of this year.

    At the same time, Geithner and other administration officials are contemplating how to ask Congress to extend — again — unemployment benefits for the millions of Americans who have lost their jobs in recent months. The proposal drew measured support from Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., as long as the benefits are drawn from the already approved economic stimulus package.

    "We need to take care of those who are unemployed, but we also need to make sure they get jobs," he said.

    Those jobs, though, are still elusive. Greenspan said the economy is slowly coming back.

    "Collapse, I think, is now off the table. We were teetering for a while," he said.

    Greenspan said he doesn't think the Federal Reserve should be considering raising interest rates to ward off inflation, although he added that the Fed will have to rein in credit and raise rates at some point.

    Obama's opponent for the presidency, Sen. John McCain, questioned whether the administration's actions will prove beneficial for the country.

    "I think it's pretty clear, if you pump trillions of dollars into the economy, you will see some recovery," the Arizona Republican said while giving Obama credit for the improvement. "But the long-term consequences, I think, are going to be, unfortunately, devastating unless we do something about it."

    Geithner and Greenspan appeared on ABC's "This Week." Summers appeared on NBC's "Meet the Press" and CBS's "Face the Nation." DeMint was interviewed on "Fox News Sunday." McCain spoke with CNN's "State of the Union."
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  • #2
    I'm actually shocked that MrFun would post this thread
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    • #3
      As shocked as you would be if I tased you?
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      • #4
        It's going to be real interesting to dee how the disciples cut their ties.
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        • #5
          Obama has lied if he goes through with tax increases so that defense could be a legitimate defense for those kind of voters, Slowwy.
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          • #6
            I'm not questioning whether he's lied, I'm talking about the reaction of his supporters.
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            • #7
              :toldyouso:

              And Obama shows his colours as yet another rich establishment politician. Go figure.

              What a ****in suprise.
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              • #8
                Expanding the government and providing universal health care is very expensive. It was a fantasy pushed by the left that this could be done by just taxing the rich.
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                • #9
                  Yeah well, look how many bought into it.
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                  • #10
                    Universal healthcare? He'll need to raise taxes on the middle class just to support the stimulus.
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                    • #11
                      I hate to keep saying I told you so, but I did. My grandchild will be paying on this stimulus crap.
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                      • #12
                        Politics is always about expediency. You say what it takes to get elected, and stay elected. Both parties, all the time. Anyone who believes pre-election promises is an idiot. McCain was right in there with Obama before the last debate, both descending on DC and talking about stimulus packages and bailouts. Not because it was the right (or wrong) thing to do, but because it might help in November.

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                        • #13
                          How could he even think about fixing the economy and reducing the deficit without raising taxes? If anything, taxes have been too low.
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                          • #14
                            Obama promised middle-class tax cuts to fight the Bush depression. Obama delivered on his promise of middle-class tax cuts to fight the depression.

                            Anyone who thinks, in light of Bush's legacy of deficits and in light of the stimulous spending necessary to counter the Bush depression, that taxes wouldn't be have to be raised sometime in the future to pay down the national debt IS A ******!

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                            • #15
                              Cancelling the Bush tax cuts is "not raising taxes on the middle class"?

                              What is this, bizarro world?

                              that taxes wouldn't be have to be raised sometime in the future
                              Obama lied, simple as that. Best to own up to Obama lying to the electorate.

                              I can't see how this is any different then Bush Sr. saying 'no new taxes'.
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