[Serious Thread] Assisted Suicide.

[Drake Tungsten]

Squirm, squirm, squirm.

Yeah, you've really got my back to the wall, UR...

[notyoueither]

Squirm, squirm, squirm.

Yeah, you've really got my back to the wall, UR...

I'm not criticising US foreign policy.

I am criticisng an American hypocrit.

[St Jon]

I started this Thread as a means of hearing how others felt about a significant change in UK law and yet you seem to be just determined to abuse anyone who disagrees with you.

The title of the thread is "Assisted Suicide", not "A Significant Change in UK Law." If you don't want people to argue about the moral basis of assisted suicide in your thread, don't ****ing call it "Assisted Suicide."

The case is British and it is UK law that has been altered by it but the issue is Assisted Suicide and as such not something that only concerns the citizens of my own country.

People suffer from horrible and incurable diseases throughout the World and important moral and ethical issues are raised by how this is dealt with. Free will or endure the pain until the end regardless of your own desires because somebody else has the power to make that decision for you.

This is not a merely a British issue just because this case happened to be heard in a British court!

[Drake Tungsten]

Let's recap the arguments for people just joining the thread.

Drake Tungsten: If you want to kill yourself, go ahead, but don't asked a loved one to do it for you or make a public spectacle out of it. Also, specialized suicide clinics are creepy, wrong and complicit in murder.

NYE: You think I approve of murder because I approve of suicide clinics? Well, America has the death penalty and fights wars!

St Jon: How dare you discuss whether assisted suicide is right in a thread where I ask that very question!?

edit: Had to fix St Jon's name. I called him St. Leo at first because I have no idea who the **** he is.

[notyoueither]

It's not murder, any more than American soldiers and prison personnel are complicit in murder.

It's MURDER are your own hysterics Drake.

[Drake Tungsten]

It's MURDER are your own hysterics Drake.

Did you translate this from French or something?

It's not murder, any more than American soldiers and prison personnel are complicit in murder.

They are complicit in murder. Warfare and the death penalty are both examples of state-sanctioned murder.

[Kuciwalker]

Let's recap the arguments for people just joining the thread.

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NYE: You think I approve of murder because I approve of suicide clinics? Well, America has the death penalty and fights wars!

You think that America doesn't have the death penalty and fight wars? Could you be any more of a stereotypically ignorant American buffoon?

[notyoueither]

I missed the edit.

I certainly regret the deaths of innocent Iraqi civilians, as well. You're the only one here who is supportive of cold-blooded murder.

That's nice, and I expect we can look forward to your full-throated condemnation of US policy and actions in upcoming threads, yes?

Put me down for $5 on 'not bloody likely.'

[St Jon]

Let's recap the arguments for people just joining the thread.

St Jon: How dare you discuss whether assisted suicide is right in a thread where I ask that very question!?

edit: Had to fix St Jon's name. I called him St. Leo at first because I have no idea who the **** he is.

What are you talking about? The Thread is titled 'Assisted Suicide' and its' sole purpose was to discuss that issue.

[notyoueither]

It's MURDER are your own hysterics Drake.

Did you translate this from French or something?

It's not murder, any more than American soldiers and prison personnel are complicit in murder.

They are complicit in murder. Warfare and the death penalty are both examples of state-sanctioned murder.

Are they morally wrong? Is one? The other? Both?

[Drake Tungsten]

That's nice, and I expect we can look forward to your full-throated condemnation of US policy and actions in upcoming threads, yes?

Put me down for $5 on 'not bloody likely.'

I'm happy to...

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?t=187359

Are they morally wrong? Is one? The other? Both?

People who aren't morally bankrupt already know that they're all wrong, but some are more wrong than others. In order from most wrong to least wrong...

Premeditated killing of innocents (assisted suicide, death penalty for innocent men, shooting prisoners of war) > Accidental killing of innocents (Collateral damage in war) > Premeditated killing of non-innocents (guilty death row inmates) > Killing of non-innocents who have the ability to avoid being killed (enemy soldiers in combat)

[BlackCat]

Debbie is seriously sick and want to die. That can be fixed in Switzerland, legally, but she would, for obvious reasons, want to be with her husband.

Problem is that if the husband go with her and are at her side when she dies, he will face up to 14 years of prison on his return.

If I understand St Jon right, then he will not face this due to a new ruling.

Debbie could have made the journey several times on her own hand, so there was no need for the husband to attend - though, for obvious reasons, both wanted to participate in the journey.

Drake manged to prove he's an idiot.

Does this summarise the story ?

[notyoueither]

That's nice, and I expect we can look forward to your full-throated condemnation of US policy and actions in upcoming threads, yes?

Put me down for $5 on 'not bloody likely.'

I'm happy to...

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?t=187359

Are they morally wrong? Is one? The other? Both?

People who aren't morally bankrupt already know that they're all wrong, but some are more wrong than others. In order from most wrong to least wrong...

Premeditated killing of innocents (assisted suicide, death penalty for innocent men, shooting prisoners of war) > Accidental killing of innocents (Collateral damage in war) > Premeditated killing of non-innocents (guilty death row inmates) > Killing of non-innocents who have the ability to avoid being killed (enemy soldiers in combat)

[St Jon]

Debbie is seriously sick and want to die. That can be fixed in Switzerland, legally, but she would, for obvious reasons, want to be with her husband.

Problem is that if the husband go with her and are at her side when she dies, he will face up to 14 years of prison on his return.

If I understand St Jon right, then he will not face this due to a new ruling.

Debbie could have made the journey several times on her own hand, so there was no need for the husband to attend - though, for obvious reasons, both wanted to participate in the journey.

Drake manged to prove he's an idiot.

Does this summarise the story ?

You've got the whole issue summed up perfectly. Right on all counts.

[Kuciwalker]

That's nice, and I expect we can look forward to your full-throated condemnation of US policy and actions in upcoming threads, yes?

Put me down for $5 on 'not bloody likely.'

I'm happy to...

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?t=187359

You'd have us abandon our allies in the Middle East?