[Serious Thread] Assisted Suicide.

[Drake Tungsten]

I think NYE needs to see this movie...



Even comedians, the most bitter and jaded people on earth, know that murdering someone is wrong.

[notyoueither]

You need to explain why you are so hung up on this concept of pushing responsibility onto others.

It isn't murder, doofus. It's an act of love.

[Drake Tungsten]

You can call it whatever you want, but that doesn't change the fact that it's murder.

[notyoueither]

Well, actually, it does.

Murder is an act defined by the state. If the state sets the rules so that such an act falls outside of that definition, well then...

That is the point of the woman going to the courts to ensure that no matter what she and her family decide, her family will not be held liable under penal law after the fact.

Thank you very much for playing. Please come again.

[Drake Tungsten]

Murder is an act defined by the state. If the state sets the rules so that such an act falls outside of that definition, well then...

I guess the Holocaust wasn't murder, then.

[notyoueither]

Godwin!

Yes, actually, it was. Even the Nazis knew what they were doing was wrong, and people would not accept it. Hense they hid it.

Also, the winners write the history books, and they were prosecuted by international tribunals for what happened at the camps, on the way to the camps, and things that didn't make it to the camps.

Short answer. They knew what they were doing was wrong in the eyes of society (theirs and others) but they did it anyway. That would make it illegal, and hense, murder. On a mass scale.

[Drake Tungsten]

Hense they hid it.

Yes, they hid it in giant camps with rail lines running right up to the front door.

Also, the winners write the history books, and they were prosecuted by international tribunals for what happened at the camps, on the way to the camps, and things that didn't make it to the camps.

So it wouldn't have been murder if the Nazi's had won the war? Jesus Christ. Do you even hear what you're saying?

That would make it illegal

You seem to demonstrate no knowledge of what the word "illegal" actually means.

[Thoth]

Murder is an act defined by the state. If the state sets the rules so that such an act falls outside of that definition, well then...

I guess the Holocaust wasn't murder, then.

Do you honestly not see the difference between someone seeking their own death by the means of their own choice and state sanctioned mass murder? Or did you forget to change logins to your BK account?

[Drake Tungsten]

state sanctioned mass murder

NYE just said that it's not murder if the state sanctions it. I'm simply pointing out how inaccurate, moronic and offensive that argument is.

[notyoueither]

Hense they hid it.

Yes, they hid it in giant camps with rail lines running right up to the front door.

So, is it your position that euthenasia is some sort of nuevo holocaust?

[Drake Tungsten]

No, my point is that state sanction doesn't magically stop something from being murder (in a moral sense, at least).

[notyoueither]

Also, the winners write the history books, and they were prosecuted by international tribunals for what happened at the camps, on the way to the camps, and things that didn't make it to the camps.

So it wouldn't have been murder if the Nazi's had won the war? Jesus Christ. Do you even hear what you're saying?

It might help if you had a clue what you were on about.

Would you please provide source material that indicates that the extermination of human beings in camps was legal in Germany between 1933 and 1945?

It was illegal even by their own laws, doofus.

That would make it illegal

You seem to demonstrate no knowledge of what the word "illegal" actually means.

Nor do you.

You seem to think that any act that results in a death is murder.

That is very obviously false. Law in various states specify what acts that result in death of a human being are murder. They also may specify acts, some willful, that are not murder.

[Drake Tungsten]

Would you please provide source material that indicates that the extermination of human beings in camps was legal in Germany between 1933 and 1945?

It was illegal even by their own laws, doofus.

Consider yourself pwned, you ignorant ****...

David Fraser’s thesis, in LAW AFTER AUSCHWITZ, is that there is little to distinguish between our fundamental understandings and practices of law and those of German lawyers and judges between 1933 and 1945. He aims to refocus jurisprudential efforts in order to confront lawyers’ collective, institutional and professional participation in the Holocaust. Rather than seeing the Holocaust as an extraordinary moment where SS madness dominated, by surveying the legal establishment’s accommodation and application of discriminatory laws, Fraser sees the Holocaust as “the culmination of the acts of ordinary people in the ordinary course of events within ordinary governmental and legal structures”(p.5), using techniques no different to today’s. For him, Auschwitz was “law-ful/full,” and rather than the extraordinariness of the Holocaust making it difficult to be judged in a court room, its ordinariness – its ordinary lawfulness – causes difficulties for law.

http://www.bsos.umd.edu/gvpt/lpbr/subpages/reviews/fraser605.htm

You seem to think that any act that results in a death is murder.

How you could come to this conclusion when I've clearly differentiated between suicide and murder on several occasions in this thread is beyond me. I imagine it's because you're a ******, but who knows what your problem really is?

[notyoueither]

No, my point is that state sanction doesn't magically stop something from being murder (in a moral sense, at least).

So, once again, US foreign policy must be immoral in your books.

[Drake Tungsten]

So, once again, US foreign policy must be immoral in your books.

I see you're turning to the UR defense again...