How the Soviets Really Won WWII :)

[notyoueither]

Aircraft by day. UBoats and EBoats at night. Good luck getting shipping into or through Gibralter.

Also, while you can move the remnants of the RN to Halifax and other ports in Canada (which was planned) the larger ships would have been out of service or reduced effectiveness for some time because the facilities for supply and maintenance would have needed to be built from scratch.

You also need to deal with the loss of the manufacturing and maintenance facilities for aircraft, and then there's that small matter of pilots and a large population base to draw them from.

If Britain fell, keeping the Bosch from whatever they wanted in and around the Med would have been... not very likely.

[Kuciwalker]

Zkribbler, you're a tool. Even without the RAF the Kriegsmarine faced massive technological and numerical inferiority - and would be operating outside of the effective range of most land-based air support. The RN would still have its carriers (unless you're claiming a campaign of strategically bombing airfields would destroy British naval aviation) and the Kriegsmarine would find new life at the bottom of the ocean. Even if the RN magically dies, your assertion that Seelowe would just go off without a hitch is laughable.

Why the **** do you think Moscow fallen = Russia dead? Is your reason better than "LOL I played Axis and Allies once!"

The Japanese were set to invade India when they got pushed back.

Ooooh, scary, I'm sure that would have been just great for the Japanese.

Before Midway, Japanese carriers outnumbered U.S. carriers by more than two-to-one.

Yeah, so ****ing what? The US could have taken out Japan on its own, no sweat. You realize how vast the difference in population and industrial capacity was between the two, right? Except obviously not because you subscribe to this absurd ZOMFG WW2 was like a sports match where the underdog heroically came out from behind point of view.

And as for the Norweigians, this from Wikipedia:

I read all that, I check facts before I post. Despite this, your claim that the Germans would have the bomb if this facility hadn't been blown up is gross exaggeration if not utterly false.

Here's the kicker that shows you are utterly incapable of any kind of critical thought: if Norwegians hadn't blown up the place, WHY DO YOU THINK THE ALLIES COULDN'T HAVE JUST DONE IT THEMSELVES.

[BlackCat]

If Britain fell, keeping the Bosch from whatever they wanted in and around the Med would have been... not very likely.

Quite agree when it comes to Malta and Egypt, but not gibraltar. Neither the Italian, nor the german had anything that could invade, so if supplies could come from the south they could make a stand.

The main joker would actually be Franco.

[Kuciwalker]

Without the Soviets, there would be no victories at Stalingrad and Kursk. Without the Brits and Canadians, no victory at El Alamen and the Battle of Britain. Without the Yanks, no victory at Midway.

Dude, your perspective is totally ****ed up. WW2 wasn't decided on the battlefield. It was decided in the goddamned factories.

[BlackCat]

Zkribbler, you're a tool. Even without the RAF the Kriegsmarine faced massive technological and numerical inferiority - and would be operating outside of the effective range of most land-based air support. The RN would still have its carriers (unless you're claiming a campaign of strategically bombing airfields would destroy British naval aviation) and the Kriegsmarine would find new life at the bottom of the ocean. Even if the RN magically dies,

Kuci, if german air force got control of RAF and thereby, the english channel, please tell how the RN would make a difference if they were sitting ducks lacking air protection

[Kuciwalker]

Did you glaze over the part where I mentioned carriers?

[Drake Tungsten]

It was decided in the goddamned American factories.

Fixed.

[notyoueither]

Quite agree when it comes to Malta and Egypt, but not gibraltar. Neither the Italian, nor the german had anything that could invade, so if supplies could come from the south they could make a stand.

The main joker would actually be Franco.

That's quite the joker.

Also, what's to stop the Germans from annexing Vichy and French North Africa, and then shelling Gibralter to dust?

Your answer should be south of 'not much.'

[Kuciwalker]

It was decided in the goddamned American factories.

Fixed.

Thanks.

[Kuciwalker]

It's telling that even the morons who live in the Paradox forums shy away from arguing that Germany could have won WW2 for fear of utter pwnage.

[BlackCat]

That's quite the joker.

Also, what's to stop the Germans from annexing Vichy and French North Africa, and then shelling Gibralter to dust?

Your answer should be south of 'not much.'

No offense, but with some 14,5 km (at least) the germans should put up some heavy arillery under both maritime barrage and air attacks - could probably be done, but not so easily

[KrazyHorse]

What the **** makes you think that the RN can sit on station 4000 miles from their newly-moved base of ops? Especially since the Germans get to fly as many land-bsed aircraft as they like from North Africa.

The RN pulls out, Gibraltar falls. It falls after the rest of North Africa and the ME, for sure, but there is no way to keep Gibraltar as an active naval base after Britain gets knocked out.

[KrazyHorse]

It's telling that even the morons who live in the Paradox forums shy away from arguing that Germany could have won WW2 for fear of utter pwnage.

After 1941, this is obvious. Just a matter of time.

[BlackCat]

What the **** makes you think that the RN can sit on station 4000 miles from their newly-moved base of ops? Especially since the Germans get to fly as many land-bsed aircraft as they like from North Africa.

The RN pulls out, Gibraltar falls. It falls after the rest of North Africa and the ME, for sure, but there is no way to keep Gibraltar as an active naval base after Britain gets knocked out.

Ehrm, what the hell are you talking about ? The units around britain will probably go to iceland/canada, but the southern units will stay put.

Oh, and no, the germans can't just send land based aircrafts as they wan't. They still need to break Malta, and then Egypt, and then they have to move to the Gibraltar Strait. It will take several months where the brits can start moving support up from the south.

[KrazyHorse]

Ehrm, what the hell are you talking about ? The units around britain will probably go to iceland/canada, but the southern units will stay put.

And be supplied from where, you crazy person? By whom?