How the Soviets Really Won WWII :)

[KrazyHorse]

And ?

[BlackCat]

If Britain fell I expect the US would shelter the RN.

Depends how you define "fell". If they surrendered (wich I seriously doubt), they would probably prefer to sink the ships, if not, they would go to english dominions. Much would depend on where the english government would mover to.

[BlackCat]

Can you remember that trunk I suggested you should atttend ? Well, I guess that it's time for you to go

[Kuciwalker]

What do you mean by this? Allow them to dock at Newport news, fill up with supplies and go back to fight?

I expect they would sit in the docks for a while negotiating, but yes, I think that would be the eventual result.

By this time the USN was fighting the German navy too, wasn't it?

[KrazyHorse]

I;m not sure. There was the 300 mile hostility exclusion zone they were enforcing, but I'm not sure what other actions (if any) they were taking.

Remember that the BoB happened pretty early in the war. It was mid to late 1940, not late 1941.

Resupplying the RN for free and sending it off to go fight the Germans in North Africa is FAR more involvement than the US agreed to prior to lend lease, which only came about in the middle of 1941...

[Theben]

Are we assuming that the British would make a truce with Germany or surrender and collaborate? I think a truce is actually realistic, since it was strongly considered after Dunkirk.

Once Chamberlain wizened up there was no chance of Britain signing a truce with Hitler, since Hitler had never honored a treaty before.

Hitler was ideologically positive towards Anglo-Saxons, and he would have been happy with a cease-fire if it would free his hand against the Soviets. Collaboration isn't really realistic.

Hitler hated almost everyone. I just finished reading Shirer's The Nightmare Years: 1930-1940. In it Hitler denigrates half the British govt.

When you throw in several "what ifs", Germany could have won the war. But the main "what if" involves Hitler beating Britain & the USSR before Dec '41, or the US staying out altogether of the European war.

[Drake Tungsten]

America remaining uninvolved is clearly the greatest "what-if". The UK and USSR had no chance of beating Germany without American assistance.

[chequita guevara]

The UK, no. The USSR, yes, if they held their oil fields. If the Caucasus falls, the USSR is toast. Even if the three major cities, Leningrad, Moscow, and Stalingrad fall, the USSR could keep fighting, as long as they have oil. By 1943, Soviet production in Siberia is in full swing and then it's just a meat grinder until the Soviets reach Brest.

As for the UK falling that started this thread jack, "fall" was undefined. It could be as simple as the UK suing for peace after their army gets destroyed at Dunkirk or Rommel going all the way to Suez. In the case of a defeated, but unoccupied Britain, I suspect America stays out of the war. If the Wehrmacht is marching through London, that might shock the U.S. out of complacency.

[chequita guevara]

By this time the USN was fighting the German navy too, wasn't it?

We were sinking u-boats. We were virtually at war with Germany at this point. Hitler's declaration of war wasn't really so out of the blue.

[Drake Tungsten]

The USSR, yes, if they held their oil fields.

The USSR would have been ****ed without Lend-Lease.

[chequita guevara]

Hard up, but not ****ed.

[Drake Tungsten]

Zhukov called the Lend-Lease aid "indispensable."

http://www.amazon.com/Russias-Life-Saver-Lend-Lease-U-S-S-R-World/dp/0739107364

[chequita guevara]

meh

[Drake Tungsten]

Pwned.

[chequita guevara]

By one book? Not so sure.