Healthcare Reform Thread II

[Drake Tungsten]

Who bailed out Canada or European countries which have a national health care program?

The United States. Canada and Europe have been free-riding on American security for decades.

[Dinner]

If anyone agrees with the Republican view that health care reform should be repealed then check out this video from yesterday. A new born in Texas was born with a heart defect and the insurance company is claiming it is a pre-existing condition and is refusing to cover the life saving surgery.

[Theben]

So the real question is, what are the insurance companies gonna do in order to skirt HCR as much as possible to maximize profits (a la credit card companies)?

[Drake Tungsten]

So the real question is, what are the insurance companies gonna do in order to skirt HCR as much as possible to maximize profits (a la credit card companies)?

Why would they want to skirt it? They can fire all their costly actuaries now and bank when premiums continue to go up. This healthcare reform is a godsend for insurance execs who care more about profits than being a real insurance company.

[Theben]

Skirt the portions they don't like, I mean. I imagine they still don't want to insure people with costly illnesses.

[Drake Tungsten]

I imagine they still don't want to insure people with costly illnesses.

Why not? The young people the government is forcing to buy costly insurance will more than make up for the cost of insuring the chronically ill.

[BlackCat]

The young people the government is forcing to buy costly insurance.

I sincerely hope that you are drunk and actually don't know what you are posting

[Theben]

Unfortunately, this time he's telling the truth, drunk or no.

[Drake Tungsten]

You should really put BlackCat on ignore, Theben. He has absolutely nothing of consequence to contribute to this message board; you won't even notice a difference when he's gone.

[MrFun]

Oerdin, that insurance company is evil.

[BlackCat]

[QUOTE=Theben;5771833]Unfortunately, this time he's telling the truth, drunk or no.[/QUOTE]
Can you explain this ? I'm a bit confused.

[BlackCat]

You should really put BlackCat on ignore, Theben. He has absolutely nothing of consequence to contribute to this message board; you won't even notice a difference when he's gone.

Drake, you are pretty funny, especially when you say you have someone on ignore - just show that you are a moron

[giblets]

I imagine they still don't want to insure people with costly illnesses.

Why not? The young people the government is forcing to buy costly insurance will more than make up for the cost of insuring the chronically ill.

They would probably prefer to force more people to get insurance while still not insuring people with costly illnesses. They would want to avoid insuring the chronically ill even if they can easily afford to because they want to maximize profit.

[Solomwi]

If anyone agrees with the Republican view that health care reform should be repealed then check out this video from yesterday. A new born in Texas was born with a heart defect and the insurance company is claiming it is a pre-existing condition and is refusing to cover the life saving surgery.

Of course it's ****ing pre-existing. They're trying to get insurance on the baby after it was born with the condition. Based on the video, BCBS didn't agree to insure the baby, then decide the condition was pre-existing.

[Pekka]

I wouldn't bee too worried for you guys. If the US is rich (excuse me, the richest), this will be no problem to you guys. I won't bankrupt you.

The challenge is to keep the waiting lines in order and so that you get enough time with a doctor, but this can be arranged. It is a question of resources. To have enough doctors, that's all. In here, the level of competence when it comes to staff and doctors is very high. The cost of medicine per citizen is fairly low, and the time you have to wait when you are in real trouble is not long.

The trade off is that when there's semi-problems or small problems, you might not get the attention you deserve. But when you are in real trouble, you get everything you need and don't have to worry about how much it all will cost. They won't kick you out because you already spent 2 days in a hospital and insurance company is coming to say that you're OK already.

All fo this insurance and their demands **** ends. It doesn't matter anymore, because no one is making money (this isn't actually true but almost).

The competence of doctors don't go away. They still get paid well, and I should assume their biggest incentive is to help people anyway. Just like cops, except they get paid too little. But they're still cops regardless, they don't move to Zimbabwe to be cops now do they?

Doctors will always get paid well. They will always try their best, it's not like they think they're not getting paid enough and screw up an operation because of it. It's a calling and they're smart. In here, if you get small stuff, you might prefer private doctors for the reason that you get in right away, they give you all the medicine you ask and the sick leave as well. FOr big trouble, private companies can't compete, because they can't offer any real customer benefits that the public sector isn't already offering.

This is true even in cancer cases. There is is a private company for cancer patients, private hospital. Yet it cannot offer ANYTHING that the public hospital isn't offering. They just admitted it themselves, that they have absolutely nothing extra to offer. But it costs 10k to go there and have a surgery of some kind. So. INstead of paying like 300 euros versus 10k, and they give me no extra benefits, surgeons are as competent as can be in both... my choice is kind of obvious.

And if you're worried, you can still go to private companies, I bet. If it's about the money, my own rule now is, that if I can't turn away a person while standing in front of a hospital door, then I can't do that by voting something, putting a number on a paper.