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  • Originally posted by Drake Tungsten View Post
    Dems reject amendment to ban Viagra for sex offenders

    I have to give it up to Coburn on this one. Truly inspired.

    And that's only half of the pain:

    [Reconciliation] got them a win, but it also meant Senate Democrats this week had to endure the political equivalent of water-boarding.

    Here's why: reconciliation allowed Republicans to bring up unlimited amendments. Because Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) could not allow the reconciliation bill to be changed in any way—which would send it back to the House—his party was obliged to vote down every one of those amendments. And every one had been designed to make even hardened pols whimper.

    Tom Coburn (R., Okla.) offered language to bar the government from subsidizing erectile dysfunction drugs for convicted pedophiles and rapists. Democrats voted . . . No! Orrin Hatch (R., Utah) proposed exempting wounded soldiers from the new tax on medical devices. Democrats: No way! Pat Roberts (R., Kan.) wanted to exempt critical access rural hospitals from funding cuts. Senate Democrats: Forget it! This was Republicans' opportunity to lay out every ugly provision and consequence of ObamaCare, and Democrats—because of the process they'd chosen—had to defend it all.

    And so it went, into the wee Thursday hours. All Democrats in favor of taxing pacemakers? Aye! All Democrats in favor of keeping those seedy vote buyoffs? Aye! All Democrats in favor of raising taxes on middle-income families? Aye! All Democrats in favor of exempting themselves from elements of ObamaCare? Aye! All Democrats in favor of roasting small children in Aga ovens? (Okay, I made that one up, but you get the point.) Aye!


    ...

    No more hiding, either, by Democrats who voted for ObamaCare even as they claimed to have reservations. Republicans flushed them out, making each individual Democrat stand up to defend each individual piece. The record now shows that Arkansas's Blanche Lincoln is on board with higher premiums, that Colorado's Michael Bennet is good to go with gutting Medicare Advantage, that Nevada's Harry Reid is just fine with rationing, that New York's Kirsten Gillibrand is cool with taxes on investment income, that California's Barbara Boxer is right-o with employer mandates, and that Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter is willing to strip his home state of the right to opt out of the health law.

    Mr. Reid, of course, only needed 51 members to block amendments, so he could afford to cut some members loose on tough votes. And, oh, to have been a bug on the wall as frayed Democrats debated over who got the outs. Harry, if you think I'm voting against tightening restrictions on illegals getting health care, you are unhinged. Wanna trade your vote for taxing kids on their wheelchairs for my vote for overcharging kids on their college loans? Can I get back to you on supporting criminal penalties for people who fail to buy health care?

    Politics being what it is—and the self-flagellation mechanism Democrats had created just too good to pass up—Republicans did throw in a few unrelated amendments. So the majority also got to vote against further marriage penalty tax relief, against certain gun rights for veterans, and against extending small-business tax credits. To add insult to injury, the Senate parliamentarian still found problems with the bill, and sent it back to the House anyway.

    By that time, all the vote results had been recorded, collated and packaged in neat little folders for GOP candidates—who intend to use them to great effect this fall. Democrats this week said they'd be proud to campaign on ObamaCare. They'd better mean it, because reconciliation guaranteed there's no running from it now.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ctions_opinion
    Unbelievable!

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    • I was hoping the GOP would offer an amendment calling for the creation of a single-payer healthcare system, but I don't think the rumors came true.
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      • The polls I've seen are pretty much the same. 2-1 against it's passage.
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        • Originally posted by Darius871 View Post
          And that's only half of the pain:
          The ads there just seem to write themselves.
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          • DD, is your avatar Batman attacking a shark with a lightsaber?

            I'm glad somebody's going to get ass-whooped for this travesty. I understand Stupak is under fire from both sides now for switching
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            • Originally posted by Drake Tungsten View Post
              I have to give it up to Coburn on this one. Truly inspired.
              Unfortunately for Repugs this is not good news. Either the voters will realize that these proposals were merely for political theater and ignore or turn against them, or they'll be too stupid to realize it, in which case the Republic is seriously in trouble. How many Ben's can America afford to harbor?
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              • Either the voters will realize that these proposals were merely for political theater



                How exactly is suggesting amendments to a proposed bill (something that happens in Congress all the time) "political theater"? The only reason this occasion was any different is because the Democrats decided to bypass the normal procedure for reconciling House and Senate versions of a bill (conference committee) and decided to use a reconciliation procedure that makes it far easier to pass things, but also forced the Dems to go on the record as opposed to reasonable amendments like denying Viagra to convicted sex offenders lest they force the House to take another vote. Kudos to Coburn and the GOP for rubbing their faces in it.
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                • Originally posted by Thorn View Post
                  The definition of sex offenders needs to be relooked at.

                  You have sex with a 17 year old in most states and you are 22 you will be treated as one FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, EVEN IF YOU GET MARRIED TO THEM.

                  That means you can't live near schools, have to check in with the police, etc.

                  Sounds good. There's something wrong with a 22 year old that has to **** high school girls.
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                  • Originally posted by Drake Tungsten View Post
                    [q] but also forced the Dems to go on the record as opposed to reasonable amendments like denying Viagra to convicted sex offenders
                    This was a stupid amendment.
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                    • Is it unreasonable to deny sex offenders federally subsidized ED drugs, Mr Fun?
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                      • It seems eminently reasonable to me.
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                        • Sex offenders belong in prison.
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                          • Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                            Is it unreasonable to deny sex offenders federally subsidized ED drugs, Mr Fun?
                            Republicans did not give a **** about pedophiles and protecting children in this case. You know as well as I do, that this was propped up so that come mid-term elections, Republican campaigners will say, "DID YOU SEE HOW DEMOCRATS VOTED AGAINST THE VIAGRA-PEDOPHILE BILL!? ZOMFG DEMOCRATS ARE PEDOPHILES!!"

                            And the sad part is that a number of Repulican voters will be DUMB enough to buy into this puked up krap.
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                            • Massachusetts Is Our Future

                              White House Senior Adviser David Axelrod hailed the Massachusetts health-care program as "the template" for the national health-care reform legislation the president signed into law earlier this week. That should be cause for serious concern about this law's ability to improve our health-care system at an affordable cost.

                              As state treasurer, I can speak with authority about the Massachusetts pilot program. It has been a fiscal train wreck.

                              The universal insurance coverage we adopted in 2006 was projected to cost taxpayers $88 million a year. However, since this program was adopted in 2006, our health-care costs have in total exceeded $4 billion. The cost of Massachusetts' plan has blown a hole in the Commonwealth's budget. Just last Thursday, Gov. Deval Patrick's office announced a $294 million shortfall related to health-care costs.

                              If not for federal Medicaid reimbursements and commitments from Washington to prop up this plan, Massachusetts would be broke. The only reason MassCare has survived is that we have been repeatedly bailed out by the federal government. But that raises the question: Who will bail America out if we implement a similar program?

                              While everyone should have access to affordable health care, our experience in Massachusetts tells us that the new federal entitlement will burden future taxpayers with unfunded liabilities they cannot afford. Health-care inflation will continue. Mandates will increase insurance premiums. And the deficit will reach frightening levels as the law's costs greatly exceed the projections of its advocates.

                              As lawmakers push for changes in the bill, they should start by being honest about its costs and focus on making health care more affordable without bankrupting the country.

                              Mr. Cahill is the state treasurer of Massachusetts. He is currently running as an independent for governor.



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                              • Who bailed out Canada or European countries which have a national health care program?
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