Healthcare Reform Thread II

[Caligastia]

Meanwhile, the bill doesn't actually help those of us who need health care. Sure, insurance companies can't deny us care, or they'll get fined ... $100 a day. So if your health care is more than $36,500 a year, guess what?

That's good to hear. Every cloud has a silver lining.

[MrFun]

Speaker Pelosi says, “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.”

She actually said this?

[MrFun]

That's good to hear. Every cloud has a silver lining.

Yes, because the world needs more needless pain and suffering.

[DaShi]

This makes sense.

**** off, DaShi, you little piss ant. You like socialism, I don't.

You are so ****img retarded that you make AAHZ look like KH.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Sloww, state your opinion or shut up. You're such a coward, you always hide behind insults like these.

Seriously. Slow is ****ing arguing and throwing insults against someone on HIS OWN SIDE (Elok). I mean really, WTF?!

[MrFun]

Slowwy needs a good, cold Arnold Palmer drink to cool down with.

[DaShi]

Seriously. Slow is ****ing arguing and throwing insults against someone on HIS OWN SIDE (Elok). I mean really, WTF?!

I know. I'm just messing with him because he's being so silly.

[MrFun]

Seriously. Slow is ****ing arguing and throwing insults against someone on HIS OWN SIDE (Elok). I mean really, WTF?!

Actually, to give Slowwy fair benefit of the doubt, his "not going to debate this with know-it-alls" may have been directed to others in this thread. He may not have been directing the insult to Elok, but his post happens to immediately follow Elok's.

[DaShi]

To be fair, Sloww couldn't debate this with just about anyone in this thread.

[MrFun]

[Elok]

I really like this "freight train" comparison. The US is in dire problems, so what do we do - yeah, we throw off all the sick people that can't afford to pay the docs and the nessacary treatment so we can protect the american way of life.

Yeah, that is really the way to build a sound, healthy and wealthy society.

Who's "throwing them off," BC? I merely advocate that any attempts to help them be made with real money and not Uncle Wu's Friendly Loans. The moment we cure our current fiscal dysentery, I'll be all for it. If we don't...I've said something like this before, I know, but what's the quality of health care in Zimbabwe?

[Hauldren Collider]

If the US runs out of money, healthcare will be the very least of our problems.

I would not be surprised if a large number of businesses stop providing healthcare entirely and just pay the fine. The fine for just one uninsured worker is 2000 dollars per worker--NOT 2000 dollars per UNINSURED worker. So we'll see a lot of companies that either give everyone healthcare or no one healthcare. I suspect large companies will react to this in two ways: 1) paying the fine, and 2) offsetting the massive increase in the cost of labor by moving operations overseas.

What I'm hoping is that these corporations go to the government and say, hey, if you don't repeal this, we'll be forced to cut this many thousands of jobs and move some operations overseas in order to stay in business. Hopefully it'll scare congress into a last minute repeal. If I recall correctly, something similar happened in '88 or '87.

[Kidlicious]

Yep. Did you read what I said? Going out of business serves fewer people than making a profit through reasonable business practices, thereby denying coverage to some.

No. You said they have to make a profit. And you also implied that they have to pay their executives millions of dollars and spend a bunch of money on retreats and ****. They don't have to do any of that to stay in business.

[Kidlicious]

While I wouldn't take it as far as he does, some measure of practicality is needed. I opposed this law on the very simple grounds that, as bad as these stories may be, they do not constitute anything like an existential threat to America or the American way of life. Given our already-atrocious national debt, we should not be spending large sums of money on anything less than that. We need to stop running from the freight train very soon--we should have stopped running a decade ago, if not before--and adding yet more entitlements is just throwing coal in the boiler. I don't really understand the ins and outs of the health care industry, but I don't need to.

The problem is the cost of healthcare. It needs to be lower. We can't go on like this. Either we go more into debt of we pay more for healthcare. It's just a matter of the account you use.

[Kidlicious]

If the US runs out of money, healthcare will be the very least of our problems.

And so will your military budget and tax cuts for the rich.