It's okay for white men to be biased, but not for minority group members to be biased.

[DaShi]

There is not hostility in me explaining to you the obvious. I am sorry that the glaring flaws in your logic that do not allow you to accept the obvious that Sessions comments were not racist based on facts given (as opposed to your qibbling "maybe maybe not racist) is evident for all to see.

Very well, let's see these "facts given." And please explain the connection between the NAACP and the communist party. And don't forget we haven't even mentioned his KKK comments or his grudge against other civil liberty activists who happen to be black.

To be fair, I'll even give some examples of calling a group or a person a communist to insult them:

http://www.stoptheattacks.org/republican-attacks/43-republicans/196-joe-mccain-communist-country.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/29/politics/fromtheroad/entry4556317.shtml

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...term=communist (glad Sessions isn't a Senator from the South)

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/lake...VOAJISHQA0SRV8

To explain it to you. Calling someone a communist can be used as an insult. Thus, Sessions remarks could be easily understood as an insult against the NAACP.

There is no argument here Dashi, you are a quibbling. Unless you have something that clearly shows his use of communist was racist, your insinuation that there is any reasonable expectation that it might be is ridiculous on its face.

This doesn't make logical sense. If I had something that clearly proved that his use of communist is racist, I would have presented it. My argument from the beginning is that there is doubt that it could be a racist statement. However, this does not prove that it was not a racist statement. Please state whether or not you understand this. If not, I will attempt to further explain it to you a third time.

In case you forgot, here is what you said:



BRILLIANT!!!

So, please explain to us why you think it could be. Oh, thats right, your not in to that whole actually having a reasonable position thing. Gottcha.

Odd, you seemed to understand it the first time I wrote it. And even made a reply that indicated you did. What happened?

Oh, and I called the personal attacks. But that was obvious. It's just amazing how unreasonable you are and no matter how polite someone becomes, you must attack and lie about them to save your fragile ego.

[DaShi]

Calling someone a communist and it being racist is like saying calling someone a republican is racist. There is no factual evidence to support that Sessions calling NAACP communist is racist, it is not a racist comment. Saying they are all dumb Ners is. There is a very, very clear distinction between the two.

So attacking an organization that supports the rights of black people while praising the KKK is not something a racist would do?

[DaShi]

Wow. This is almost as fun as watching the actual confirmation hearings.

Indeed. I thought this was settled some thirteen posts ago. Now all I'm doing is repeating the same things he was fine with before he felt that he needed to attack me to get off tonight.

[zakubandit]

Calling the Black Panthers merely a black rights support group is like saying a hot dog is merely a small sausage. There are activist groups for a cause, and there are radical, racist, terrorist groups. The Black Panthers are such of the latter, as are the KKK and Neo-Nazis. There are white supremacist groups out there that are stable, peaceful, and just want whats right what whites, such as the elimination of affirmative action, the ending of racial bias towards minorities, eliminating black history month, so on and so forth. In some of their eyes it isn't just about all white everywhere, it is about evening things out to eliminate all the crap that blacks through at whites daily that isn't racist and what whites throw back that is. And DaShi, an insult is far from a racist comment. Same on one level, but very different on another.

Like calling you a ******, that can be taken racist or discrimatory towards mentally handicapped. Calling you a ****** can be taken racist or discrimitory towards homosexuals. Calling you a big nosed Jew can be taken racist, either you hate Jews and are racist or your a Jew and it is racist to you. But calling someone a communist, a fascist, or a Nazi *Nazis were a party not a people* is not racist. Yes Nazis are racist but in fact the Nazi Party was strictly a white supremacist political party. Are you going to feel as though your a victim of racism if someone calls you a terrorist?

[DaShi]

There are white supremacist groups out there that are stable, peaceful, and just want whats right what whites, such as the elimination of affirmative action, the ending of racial bias towards minorities, eliminating black history month, so on and so forth.

Great, and these are?

And DaShi, an insult is far from a racist comment. Same on one level, but very different on another.

I never said that an insult is a racist comment. However, an insult can be a racist comment. Why is this so hard to understand? It's like I'm taking away one of the last tools racists have to express themselves.

Like calling you a ******, that can be taken racist or discrimatory towards mentally handicapped. Calling you a ****** can be taken racist or discrimitory towards homosexuals. Calling you a big nosed Jew can be taken racist, either you hate Jews and are racist or your a Jew and it is racist to you. But calling someone a communist, a fascist, or a Nazi *Nazis were a party not a people* is not racist. Yes Nazis are racist but in fact the Nazi Party was strictly a white supremacist political party. Are you going to feel as though your a victim of racism if someone calls you a terrorist?

Really? That's you argument? I'm going to need to wait on a confirmation for this one.

[zakubandit]

It is 12:31am for me and I gotta get up in the morning, you want a list of white rights activist groups your gonna have to wait until morning for me.

[DaShi]

Why should it take so long? You clearly had some in mind when you made that post. What groups were you thinking of? Come on, I want to know.

[Patroklos]

To explain it to you. Calling someone a communist can be used as an insult. Thus, Sessions remarks could be easily understood as an insult against the NAACP.

Thats nice Dashi. I am curious why you just looked up all those links when it has no impact on the discussion whatsoever. Nobody here has said one way of the other whether calling someone a communist is an insult or not. It is irrelevant. Calling somone a communist is an insult whether it is factual or not. Is insulting the NAACP inherently racist? Is anyone every disparaging them an automatic candidate for suspected racism?

The question is whether it is racist, and the only way you can show this if if you have some evidence that he only critisizes black communists.

This doesn't make logical sense. If I had something that clearly proved that his use of communist is racist, I would have presented it. My argument from the beginning is that there is doubt that it could be a racist statement. However, this does not prove that it was not a racist statement. Please state whether or not you understand this. If not, I will attempt to further explain it to you a third time.

And thus we get to the crux of your quibbling. This thread, the one whose OP you failed to read apparently, is about people saying calling the NAACP communist is in and of itself (they provided no other support for their conclusion)racist, a position supported by our thread starter.

I pointed out that there is nothing in the article that in any way pointed to the use of that word bieng racist. There is no reason to come to the conclusion of the OP starter, and what was your brilliant comment

"It could be"

No **** sherlock, and Obama COULD BE a non natural born citizen, and the moon landings COULD BE a hoax, and Oerdin COULD BE the owner of a 48" pizza. The point is there is nothing that even hints that any of the above including that Sessions comment COULD be racist should be entertained.

Congratulations, you have discovered a remarkably useless arguement method commonly employed by three year olds.

So, AGAIN, what are you holding up for a factor that would lead anyone to entertain that calling the NAACP a commuist COULD BE racist.

Oh, and I called the personal attacks. But that was obvious. It's just amazing how unreasonable you are and no matter how polite someone becomes, you must attack and lie about them to save your fragile ego.

Stating the obvious fact that you are an idiot is not a personal assault. The truth hurts, and I suspect this one hurts you more often than not.

What you should be doing to save yourself from looking like a complete buffoon is to acknoledge that your quibble was indeed childish, and as it stands right now there is nothing whatsoever pointing to that comment being racially motivated. Or, simply adopt my postion, which encompasses yours anyway but without the stupid quibbling of the last page that you have been engaging in.

[SlowwHand]

[Felch]

White groups tend to be less racial and more ethnic. They focus on issues related to Italian or Irish descended Americans. Mostly they're a bunch of whiny *****es, but so's the NAACP.

[DaShi]

Is insulting the NAACP inherently racist?

Possibly. A racist certainly wouldn't like the NAACP. Also, where is the evidence for your claims? What are the "facts given" that prove that he can not be considered a racist for those statements? It seems that the facts given actually work against your claim. Is this why you ignored this request to backup your statements?

Is anyone every disparaging them an automatic candidate for suspected racism?

It would raise some eyebrows. But I wouldn't call him a racist over it alone.

The question is whether it is racist, and the only way you can show this if if you have some evidence that he only critisizes black communists.

You live in a strange world. 1. The question has never been whether it is for certain racist. The question is whether it could be racist. Yes, it is reasonable to assume that a racist would attack or insult the NAACP. Do you disagree with this? If so, please present a coherent argument. 2. What do black communists have to do with anything? There wouldn't even be an argument here, if you didn't keep changing the discussion and making false claims about me.

And thus we get to the crux of your quibbling. This thread, the one whose OP you failed to read apparently, is about people saying calling the NAACP communost is in and of itself (they provided no other support for their conclusion) was racist, a position supported by our thread starter.

Yes, I haven't read the op beyond the first paragraph or so. Your comments were wrong enough on their own.

I pointed out that there is nothing in the article that in any way pointed to the use of that word bieng racist. There is no reason to come to the conclusion of the OP starter, and what was your brilliant comment

His support of the KKK doesn't lean on the side of racism. You keep ignoring this fact. I suppose you only see things that you want to see.

In case you didn't notice. I've never called Sessions a racist in this thread. In fact, I've gone so far as to say I don't know whether he is a racist. My argument is that his comments have been taken by many to be racially insensitive. Why does this bother you so much?

No **** sherlock, and Obama COULD BE a non natural born citizen, and the moon landings COULD BE a hoax, and Oerdin COULD BE the owner of a 48" pizza. The point is there is nothing that even hints that any of the above including that Sessions comment COULD be racist should be entertained.

Those are illogical comparisons to Sessions comments. It seems that you want to make the rules of what can and can not be considered racist. However, the real world doesn't match how you think it is. Sessions comments have certainly attracted attention and do have hints of racism.

So, AGAIN, what are you holding up for a factor that would lead anyone to entertain that calling the NAACP a commuist COULD BE racist.

How many times do I need to repeat myself?

Stating the obvious fact that you are an idiot is not a personal assault. The truth hurts, and I suspect this one hurts you more often than not.

Are you incapable of civil discourse?

[MrFun]

There is no hard evidence against Sessions specifically that he is indeed a racist and that that was why he attacked the NAACP by painting it with a communist label.

But Pattycakes cannot deny that racists can use more subtle tactics and attacks that are harder to prove that such attacks are indeed racist. It's one thing to criticize NAACP on legitimate points in its managment, financing, or whatever and quite another to falsely paint the NAACP as being communist. The first instance is legitimate criticizing of NAACP - the second one can either be a subtle way for racists to attack NAACP or not.

[DaShi]

This is where I disagree with you, MrFun. I believe that his comments certainly have a racist context. But I'm not yet ready to call him a racist, despite him being republican.

Patty is right in that calling the NAACP a communist organization alone shouldn't condemn the man to be seen as a racist. However, it will, because this is how society is. This is why Sotomayer's own comments are being criticized. Now, Session's KKK comments and targetting of African Americans only for voting fraud do put that communist comment in a more racial light.

[MrFun]

Yes - peculiar that Sessions singled out only African-Americans for allegations of voting fraud.

What Pattycakes does not seem to realize is that racists do not have to be obvious in choosing to attack minority groups. The more sly racists today, in light of greater sense of political correctness will use other, under-the-table tactics to attack minority groups.

[KrazyHorse]

Can the rest of us please agree that Patty's being ridiculous by seeing this as some sort of trial where allegations of racism have to be proved via legal rules of evidence while DaShi and MrFun are sanctimonious twits?

Sotomayor's statements are far closer to what I'd term outright racism in and of themselves (though they don't quite breach that barrier, as they seem to be based on presumed experiential differences rather than innate differences). On the other hand, it's pretty clear that when a white Southerner from Session's generation makes the statements (and "jokes") he's made and has his political record that it's a good indication that he's a closet racist, and that his brand of racism is likely far more invidious than Sotomayor's.