This cop has nothing but a good record and has the support of all his colleagues. Cheq, either you have had bad run ins with the cops or you just don't care that these guys have a crap job to start. The fact is that someone saw someone what looked like breaking into a home, called the police. Ok good start. Turns out it is his home, ok cleared up. BUT cops still have to prove that he is in deed the owner, showing ID, proof of residence, confirming with town or employment, etc. Gates blew it out of proportion and harrassed the officers who were doing their jobs and reporting about a break in, saying they racial profiled. Ok...break in reported, your in the house that it was reported in....put 2 and 2 together professor, be curtious and I am sure they would have just cleared it up and gone away. Following them and yelling at them and all that can be considered a threat and the police to have the authority to subdue citizens if the officer is feeling threatened. And with the way things have been for cops lately, they are justified. I mean hell, I have had to deal with the cops a few times at house parties. I complied, I did what they asked, they said back away I backed the **** away. They are the authority because their job is to serve and protect, but when a citizen acts like an ******* and starts saying hes being racially profiled just because the cops report to a call is just ridiculous. He can take his apology demand and shove it up his pompous, liberal, scholar ass.
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Originally posted by chequita guevara View PostGates provided the officer with his id, proving he lived there. Then the police called the university to confirm.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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By that time there were multiple officers present, some from the city, some from Harvard security. Gates is a complete dumbass for mouthing off and maybe the charge shouldn't have been dropped, except that would just burden the court system with a case that, even if won, wouldn't teach Gates a thing. Stupidity is incurable.(\__/) Save a bunny, eat more Smurf!
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July 25, 2009
As Officers Face Heated Words, Their Tactics Vary
By MICHAEL WILSON and SOLOMON MOORE
Police departments issue their officers Kevlar vests to stop bullets, and thick helmets and even shields to protect them from bottles and bricks. But there is nothing in the equipment room to give an officer thicker skin.
That tool — as vital to an officer’s safety and the public’s as anything clipped to his belt — is developed in training, and its strength differs from one officer to the next.
The issue of tolerance, in fact, lies at the heart of the dispute surrounding the arrest of the Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. in Cambridge, Mass.
The police say Professor Gates was arrested and briefly charged with disorderly conduct after he ignored warnings to stop haranguing an officer who had asked him for identification inside his home.
Though Professor Gates said he was not abusive and was the victim of racism, the police report said he told Sgt. James M. Crowley, “I’ll speak with your mama outside.”
Several officers interviewed in four cities on Friday said they tried to ignore such remarks. Others said they had zero tolerance for being treated disrespectfully in public.
The line of when to put on handcuffs is a personal and blurry one, varying among officers in the same city, the same precinct, even the same patrol car.
A mounted police officer who has been with the Los Angeles Police Department for 25 years said that taking verbal abuse was a regular part of his job.
“We don’t get to tell people what they want to hear,” said the Los Angeles officer, who, like others interviewed for this article, spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid being quoted on duty. “Whether we’re giving them a ticket or responding to some conflict between a husband and wife, we’re not dealing with people at their best, and if you don’t have a tough skin, then you shouldn’t be a cop.”
The officer said he recently confronted a woman walking in the middle of the street and asked her to step out of traffic. She refused and became belligerent, using a string of four-letter words and ethnic epithets. He said he wrote the woman a ticket and went on his way.
But in Brooklyn, a 24-year-old officer, with three years on the force, seemed less inclined to walk away from verbal abuse.
“We say, ‘Back down,’ ” he said. “If they don’t back down and start making direct threats, that’s an offense. They don’t get a free pass.”
He said that threats could be defined in different ways, and he preferred to talk people down, but that the rules changed if a crowd formed, which was routine in New York and also occurred during the Gates incident.
“I wouldn’t back down if there’s a crowd gathering,” the Brooklyn officer said, in part out of concern of sending a message of weakness that could haunt another officer later. “We’re a band of brothers. We have to be there to help each other out. If there’s a group and they’re throwing out slurs and stuff, you have to handle it.”
A 13-year veteran of the Denver police force, who did not wish to give his name, said likewise. “We’re not going to take abuse,” he said. “We have to remain in control. We’re running the show.”
But Robert Anderson, with the same department five years, said he tried to “let people vent” if they grew irate. “People usually aren’t happy to see the police,” he said. “They’d rather see a fireman.”
In New York, State Senator Eric Adams, a retired New York City police captain and co-founder of the group 100 Blacks in Law Enforcement, said the rules for dealing with someone differed by setting.
“If it’s their house, they’re allowed to call you all sorts of names,” Mr. Adams said. “A man’s house is his castle. If they’re in the street, and they don’t listen to the officer’s warning, ‘Sir, you’re being disorderly,’ you can lock them up at this time.”
Not that the officer necessarily should, he said.
“Let’s say I do a stop,” Mr. Adams said. “I question, and it’s nothing. ‘Sir, I’m sorry, I apologize.’ What’s the reason for staying, if the anger’s directed at me? If it’s directed at a third party, a storekeeper, I stay.”
But if the officer himself is the provocation, the officer should leave, he said, and added that Sergeant Crowley did not use such common sense.
Michael J. Palladino, president of the Detectives Endowment Association in New York, took a harder line and said officers should not tolerate disrespect on the street.
“We pay these officers to risk their lives every day,” Mr. Palladino said. “We’re taught that officers should have a thicker skin and be a little immune to some comments. But not to the point where you are abused in public. You don’t get paid to be publicly abused. There are laws that protect against that.”
In Atlanta, Officer M. Tate, who would not give his first name, said he was trained not to lose his cool — or his job — by reacting to name calling. He recalled from memory the exact definition of when a person’s behavior crossed the line into being worthy of arrest: “The set of circumstances that will lead a reasonable and prudent person to believe that a crime has or is about to be committed and that the person in question is involved in a significant manner.” Anything short of that, he said, does not warrant handcuffs.
“I’ll take them yelling at me,” Officer Tate said. “Unless I’m hit or they get violent, I won’t arrest them for just yelling at me.”
But the training cannot be applied to every situation, one officer said.
“You want the training?” a detective in Queens asked. “Or how I train myself?”
He described a scenario he had faced many times: stopping someone who he just saw appear to slip drugs to someone else, only to learn that was not the case. “ ‘Oh, it’s a cigarette. Oh, O.K., sorry to bother you,’ ” the detective said.
And if the person then becomes verbally abusive?
“If you locked everybody up that was technically disorderly — you’ve got to know which battles to fight,” he said. “If this guy’s causing commotion, there’s a scene, you look for the level-headed person who’s a friend of his. Say, ‘Look, we’re out here cleaning up your block.’ When you leave, they’re going to talk to him.”
Senator Adams said black men were more likely to be locked up for what in police parlance is called getting “lippy.”
“The ‘uppity Negro,’ ” he said. “You may not have committed a crime, but you know what? You’ve got a big mouth.”“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
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Nothing about Obama apologizing and calling the department? That figures.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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Originally posted by Straybow View PostBy that time there were multiple officers present, some from the city, some from Harvard security. Gates is a complete dumbass for mouthing off and maybe the charge shouldn't have been dropped, except that would just burden the court system with a case that, even if won, wouldn't teach Gates a thing. Stupidity is incurable.
Bringing a charge against Gates would have been entirely unreasonable and excessive.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.
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Originally posted by SlowwHand View PostNothing about Obama apologizing and calling the department? That figures.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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