Extreme Rightist Violence Upsurge

[BeBMan]

Name a conservative demagogue.

Ben Kenobi

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Name a conservative demagogue.

And Hitler doesn't count. He was national socialist! You can't call socialists 'right wingers'.

Again, why do you persist with this blinkered notion that "right wing" and "left wing" are simple markers of economic policy?

Go read a history book.

[Ben Kenobi]

Again, why do you persist with this blinkered notion that "right wing" and "left wing" are simple markers of economic policy?

In what way was Hitler a 'social conservative?'

He believe in euthanising the disabled, and weeding out society of the weak and inferior.

Sure he believed in the Hitler Youth, but that's no different from the Communist party. Stalin said the exact same thing about the necessity of the party to have influence over the lives of children.

Hitler banned homeschooling for the same exact reason, because he wanted the state to have control over what a child would learn read, see and hear. How on earth is that a social conservative doctrine?

[Dinner]

Ben, if I didn't already know you were a numbnut I'd suspect you were only pretending to be daft.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm sorry. I just don't see any convergence between burkean conservativism and the principles of national socialism.

Branding 'national socialism' as right wing, I just don't see it.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Well, bless my soul Ben. We should really invent a time machine and send you back to 1930's Berlin, so that you could tell the Nazis in person that they're a bunch of lefties. I'm sure they wouldn't kill you much.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Let's set a scenario, Ben. Your good, God-bothering conservative self is actually a Spaniard in the early 30's. I am utterly convinced that you'd be backing the Carlists.

Try convincing me that you'd be with Durruti. Go on.

[Theben]

In case you've forgotten conservatives don't do demagogues. The left sure does though, which is why they fearmonger about conservative demagogues. Conservatives believe in individual rights and freedoms, self reliance. Why on earth would we trade these principles for the siren song of the one?

You mean like how you constantly opine on how right certain spectrum leaders/commentators are and how wrong the other side is? Are you saying you're a leftist?

[MrFun]

He's saying that he does not know what he's saying.

[Dinner]

In case you've forgotten conservatives don't do demagogues.

Watched Fox News or listened to talk radio lately?

[Ben Kenobi]

so that you could tell the Nazis in person that they're a bunch of lefties. I'm sure they wouldn't kill you much.

Truth hurts.

[Ben Kenobi]

Let's set a scenario, Ben. Your good, God-bothering conservative self is actually a Spaniard in the early 30's. I am utterly convinced that you'd be backing the Carlists.

Well I am a Catholic. I'd also be pro-monarchy over a secular and communist republic.

Try convincing me that you'd be with Durruti. Go on.

Considering his assassination attempt on Afonso XIII, I doubt I'd support Durruti.

Edit, Pius IX supported the Carlists. That's pretty much it for me.

I would have joined with the pope in supporting the Carlists but rejecting Francisco Franco.

[Ben Kenobi]

Watched Fox News or listened to talk radio lately?

I live in a nation where such speech is banned outright, while Al-Jazeera receives taxpayer funding.

Ask me again if I've listed to talk radio.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Well I am a Catholic. I'd also be pro-monarchy over a secular and communist republic.



Considering his assassination attempt on Afonso XIII, I doubt I'd support Durruti.

Edit, Pius IX supported the Carlists. That's pretty much it for me.

I would have joined with the pope in supporting the Carlists but rejecting Francisco Franco.

Just like the conservatives did, because when they chips are down conservatives back the fascists.

Naziism and fascism aren't socialism or liberalism. They're right-wing ideologies badly wounded and dangerous.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Here's the great irony, Ben. Had "Spanish Ben" found a soldier from the Trotskyite POUM in his garden, helpless with a bad throat injury, I'm sure he'd have turned him in to the jackboots like a good little Carlist.

And that would have been the end of George Orwell, the greatest and most effective critic of totalitarianism. Bar a little quibbling over taxation policy, Ben, you've got an awful lot of fascist in you.