Extreme Rightist Violence Upsurge

[DaShi]

You're trying to redefine liberalism into what you think it is rather than use your noggin to observe and understand what most liberals actually want from government.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Most so called liberals in the government simply want more government. Plain and simple.

The definition of liberalism is anything but what liberals are.

This is the same phenomena observed in any group dynamic. The inital intent of the group is subverted in order to further the power of the group. Be it the communist movement, labor, the two major parties etc.

[DaShi]

Most so called liberals in the government simply want more government. Plain and simple.

The definition of liberalism is anything but what liberals are.

This is the same phenomena observed in any group dynamic. The inital intent of the group is subverted in order to further the power of the group. Be it the communist movement, labor, the two major parties etc.

Oh look a strawman. Also see my post about semantics in another thread. Sad that you think you're clever.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Ahh the good ole douchie comes out. Bye. No need for any further response.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Why is there a tendency among American posters to think that "left wing" and "right wing" are simple indicators of economic philosophy?

[MrFun]

Most so called liberals in the government simply want more government. Plain and simple.

The definition of liberalism is anything but what liberals are.

This is the same phenomena observed in any group dynamic. The inital intent of the group is subverted in order to further the power of the group. Be it the communist movement, labor, the two major parties etc.

I don't want bigger government just for the sake of bigger government or because I'm greedy for my own interest group to have excessive power.

I believe in greater federal government role in more effective civil rights protection and enforcement. I also favor a greater role for federal government with health care, but not to the extent that far-left advocate for.

But there are other issues where I am more weary about greater federal government involvement.

On another note: Hey Dashi - why are you being so disrespectful toward Ogie right now, when he's being civil in comparison?

[DaShi]

Ahh the good ole douchie comes out. Bye. No need for any further response.

I knew you couldn't handle it. It's cute that it only took a small push.

Still, you are talking out your ass in this thread.

[Arrian]

Where I want a bigger government role: health insurance.

Where I want a smaller government role: "national security," "war on drugs," auto industry, banking "industry" (as in I do not want the current government investments in the auto & banking sectors to last long), housing market (less subsidizing home ownership - it seems to me we've gone too far there, and people are still trying to reinflate that particular bubble).

I'm sure I've left out a category or two.

-Arrian

[DaShi]

Why is there a tendency among American posters to think that "left wing" and "right wing" are simple indicators of economic philosophy?

Because they grasp at straws to prove that their myopic view of the world is the correct one.

[DaShi]

On another note: Hey Dashi - why are you being so disrespectful toward Ogie right now, when he's being civil in comparison?

Mildly. Afterall, he is arguing semantics here. However, I really just wanted to see his reaction. Besides, if it's this easy, it's no loss if he leaves again.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I don't want bigger government just for the sake of bigger government or because I'm greedy for my own interest group to have excessive power.

With all due respect you are not a congress critter or part of the party apparatchick. Their goals are not necessarily aligned with the idealist voters.

I believe in greater federal government role in more effective civil rights protection and enforcement.

Mom and apple pie. Most sane people wish for effective civil rights the necessity of increased actions of course depends upon your world view. Many people think the progress to date admirable and that the trajectory is a good one not necessarily requiring intervention.

I also favor a greater role for federal government with health care, but not to the extent that far-left advocate for.

Why, are you currently denied health care services? Do you wish the government to be able to confiscate your health records and decide which if any of your allowable treatment? Will you be required to do preventative medicinal actions that you would prefer not to do?

When you turn a ripe old age and the program is not financially viabel as is the case with SS, medicaid, medicare and all other major funded entitlement are you OK with the government saying "No health care for you?"

This of any of the basic responsibilities of the individual shold be not given to the hands of the government. Its our responsibility to feed ourselves and take care of ourselves (something about that primal urge for self preservation), why would we abrogate that responsibility and put it in the not so trustworthy hand of the government?

But there are other issues where I am more weary about greater federal government involvement.

There is hope.

[Kitschum]

Aside from the implicit (and wrong headed) assumption that racism and anti-semitism are the sole province of Right philosophy what makes you think Facism is a right wing dogma?

They don't usually self-identify as leftists, preferring instead to be called rightists or "third way" or reject the whole left-right scale. Even when they call themselves "socialists" they tend to use the word quite differently from conventional socialists. They don't usually want to socialize the economy (i.e. take over factories). They don't use class analysis, or think it is irrelevant. Race is usually central to their ideology which it seldom is even for objectively racist leftists.

Also, see my signature.

It is true that anti-semitism exists all over the political spectrum, but with leftists it appears to be linked to Israel, or to the "Jewish lobby" and stuff like that. This guy on the contrary was an Elders of Zion Jews control the Federal Reserve type anti-semite, which is much more typical of the far (loony) right.

Edit: This was the fourth attempt at posting this. Apolyton

[MrFun]

Mom and apple pie. Most sane people wish for effective civil rights the necessity of increased actions of course depends upon your world view. Many people think the progress to date admirable and that the trajectory is a good one not necessarily requiring intervention.

More than fifty percent of voters in California opposed the principle of civil rights in November 2008.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Patience. The social trajectory is in your favor. Womens suffrage and othe civil movements took time. I know being as close to the matter as you are that comes off as condescending and patronizing, but times are a-changing none the less.

[Ben Kenobi]

Randal Terry pushing for more terrorism.

He's quoting JFK for ****'s sake.

Is JFK a terrorist?