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  • [Legal] Do you feel this is abuse of system or upholding due process of the law?

    Former teacher Charlene Schmitz is behind bars in a federal detention center in Tallahassee, Florida, serving 10 years for using texts and instant messages to seduce a 14-year-old student.


    Charlene Schmitz makes $51,000 a year, even though she has been fired and is in prison.

    She has been fired from her job as a reading teacher at the high school in Leroy, Alabama.

    But she is still collecting a paycheck.

    Schmitz is appealing her federal conviction -- and her firing. State charges filed in connection with the case are pending. Under the law in Alabama, she is still entitled to her $51,000-a-year salary while she appeals her firing.

    School officials are not happy that they now have to pay both Schmitz and her replacement. But her attorney says they must obey the law.

    On Valentine's Day 2008, a jury found Schmitz guilty of two federal charges of enticing a child by electronic means, and she received the 10-year sentence. Three weeks after her conviction, the school board sent the tenured reading teacher a notice of its intent to terminate her. The school board officially fired Schmitz at a meeting in late March.

    Schmitz and her employment attorney, Henry Caddell, filed an appeal with the school board.

    The state defines its teachers as tenured by their time of service and experience.

    The Alabama Teacher Tenure Law, meant to protect tenured teachers from unfair firings, gives them a chance to appeal their firings with the board. A change made to the law in 2004 requires the board to continue paying Schmitz until her employment appeal is heard and decided by an arbitrator.

    "Ms. Schmitz is entitled to receive pay until all this is determined," Caddell said.

    The school board would like nothing more than to have an arbitrator hear Schmitz's case so it can move on, but the law is not on its side. In Alabama, when there are parallel criminal and civil cases, all criminal charges must be resolved before any civil matters can be dealt with.

    Schmitz must exhaust all avenues of appeal before the criminal case can be considered resolved.

    A three-judge panel has turned down her initial federal appeal, but her criminal attorney, Donald Briskman, has asked a full panel of judges to review the case.

    Briskman said there wasn't enough evidence to support a conviction.

    "We feel that there were some leaps the jury would have had to make to reach that decision," Briskman said.

    If the request for a full panel of judges is unsuccessful, the case could be appealed all the way to the United States Supreme Court.

    According to school board attorney Martin Pierson, the fight is far from over when the federal case is settled. Charges are pending at the state level. That could mean another trial and the likelihood of more appeals.

    The criminal appeals could delay the employment appeal for years.

    Washington County School District Superintendent Tim Savage says that because the board must now pay both Schmitz and her replacement, the schools and the students are the poorer for it.

    "It's taking money out from in front of students, and that's just wrong," Savage said.

    The school board has tried another avenue to get an emergency stop in Schmitz's pay, but a judge overruled the attempt and told the board to wait on the arbitrator's ruling.

    "The theory behind the law is good," Pierson said. If a teacher feels that he or she is unfairly fired or accused of something by the board, they get a chance to have an outside arbitrator hear the case while continuing to collect pay to support their families.

    "She has always maintained her innocence," Briskman said of Schmitz.

    "It's not my job to do the judging, but a jury has convicted her," Savage retorted.

    None of the attorneys could say when the case and all its appeals might be resolved


    Many brilliant debaters here, many intellectual individuals, how do you feel about this teacher getting paid?
    7
    Yes, until due process has run its course
    42.86%
    3
    No, she is circumventing the intent of the rules
    0.00%
    0
    No, let her appeal and if overturned pay her back wages
    28.57%
    2
    Tell her she should have chosen using a banana instead of a minor
    28.57%
    2

    The poll is expired.

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  • #2
    Hey, the law is there to protect people from not getting paid when they are fired for silly reasons (if they win the appeal then all that missed pay is pretty crappy). Sometimes asses take advantage. Just the way it is.
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    • #3
      The law is stupid, but it is the law. The schools should have some clause in their contracts that stipulate what will happen if convicted of a felony or unable to perform said duties, even if this includes incarceration. The schools should be listening to their attorney as well, not the other guys attorney. Certainly they can fire a teach for not showing up to work.
      Monkey!!!

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      • #4
        Thread is useless without pics...
        You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Krill View Post
          Thread is useless without pics...
          you asked for it Krill
          Last edited by Grandpa Troll; June 5, 2009, 16:35. Reason: Compassion for Krill's eyes
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          • #6
            Please delete them
            You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Krill View Post
              Please delete them
              All gone, open your eyes now
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Krill View Post
                Thread is useless without pics...
                True. So true.
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                • #9
                  Trust me Oerdin, you don't wanna see the pics.
                  You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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                  • #10
                    No, let her appeal and if overturned pay her back wages
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                    • #11
                      Wow, she's in jail and she still collects her paycheque?

                      Disgusting.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SlowwHand View Post
                        No, let her appeal and if overturned pay her back wages
                        Slowwy's right. The alternative would be for the courts to speculate and effectively create their own exception to a rule devised by the Alabaman legislature.

                        Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                        Wow, she's in jail and she still collects her paycheque?

                        Disgusting.
                        Judicial activism
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                        • #13
                          Thread title seems to be a false dichotomy.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Zevico View Post
                            Slowwy's right. The alternative would be for the courts to speculate and effectively create their own exception to a rule devised by the Alabaman legislature.


                            Judicial activism
                            Correct. It is the court's job to follow the law; the legislature's job to write it.

                            The law needs to be re-written. Although it might be good in cases where a principal or a school board chooses to fire a teacher and the teacher wishes to appeal to a neutral arbitrator, the law should provide for the mandatory, immediate firing of any teacher convicted of a felony. Although the teacher won't be able to appeal the firing, he will be able to appeal the criminal conviction. If that is overturned, the Sloww's suggestion for back pay could kick in.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Lul Thyme View Post
                              Thread title seems to be a false dichotomy.
                              How so?
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