Support for same sex marriage grows... ever stronger

[duke o' york]

How am I 'creating those pressures?



You mean sociology and psychology are to blame?



Where did I say anything about less value? I said they are downright dangerous for the practicioners.

What Ben said.

Sorry about the thread title.

[Ramo]

New Hampshire is going galt. I mean ghey.

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2009/05/gov_john_lynch.php#more

[rah]

Ok, a simple question about the stats I posted

* 85% had experienced depression

* 45% periods of anxiety

* 70% had attempted suicide, of the remainder (6) three had contemplated it. This included a total of 41 attempts;

* 55% abused themselves in other ways, e.g. cutting up with razor blades, banging fist against the wall, putting fist through window, biting chunks out of self, throwing self against wall/down stairs


Do you think the cause is their sexual preference or maybe might be influenced by persecution my others?

[Ben Kenobi]

I believe that society has an influence, sure.

But I think there are other factors too.

[Ben Kenobi]

The study says that there's a higher rate of partner abuse in homosexual couples, and that the abused have higher substance abuse rates.

We know that gay people who are abused have higher substance abuse rates then those who are not abused.

We also know that a higher percentage of gay people suffer partner abuse then straight people.

Therefore, all else being equal, we can say that gay people have a higher substance abuse rate, which is confirmed by the other study. The two studies corroborate one another.

[MrFun]

Oh my god! BK is opening his mind to include other factors!

[rah]

Ok, so if you believe society has an influence, that means that society probably has an influence on the amount they drink and abuse themselves. Do you agree with that?

[Q Classic]

Drake:

Do you have any evidence to support this causal argument?

There are studies showing that homosexuals have experienced violence and harassment due to their orientation, and that many teens drop out of high school because of said harassment.

I'll look for the studies after work.

[MrFun]

I don't how the **** one's sexual orientation determines any liklihood of substance abuse.

I would think belonging to a maligned, ostracized, vilified minority group of any kind is more likely to determine liklihood of substance abuse.

[Q Classic]

We know that gay people who are abused have higher substance abuse rates then those who are not abused.

We also know that a higher percentage of gay people suffer partner abuse then straight people.

Therefore, all else being equal, we can say that gay people have a higher substance abuse rate, which is confirmed by the other study. The two studies corroborate one another.

Yes, they corroborate one another.

That does not mean, however, that homosexuality is the cause, which is what you seek to imply.

[Q Classic]

Anyway:

The ones who automatically discount homosexual relationships as meaning less because they're not predicated around a gender binary.

Where did I say anything about less value? I said they are downright dangerous for the practicioners.

Do you not get the doublethink inherent in those two sentences?

[Ben Kenobi]

Ok, so if you believe society has an influence, that means that society probably has an influence on the amount they drink and abuse themselves. Do you agree with that?

Yes, completely. I've never been opposed to saying that society does play an influence. I do have a problem when it is considered the only factor responsible.

I could see it being about a 10 percent increase, out of about 100-200 percent.

[Ben Kenobi]

Do you not get the doublethink inherent in those two sentences?

It's like saying walking along an elevated train track is a less valuable activity then riding the train. The issue isn't really value, but safety.

[Asher]

I don't how the **** one's sexual orientation determines any liklihood of substance abuse.

It's simple. Christianity influences society to be hostile towards gays, a hostile society and rejection drives people to various vices as coping mechanisms.

It's basic psychology.

[rah]

Yes, completely. I've never been opposed to saying that society does play an influence. I do have a problem when it is considered the only factor responsible.

I could see it being about a 10 percent increase, out of about 100-200 percent.

Ok, so you agree that it is part of the increase that your earlier statistics showed. But you can't scientifically quantify the amount of the increase, it's just your opinion. If that is the case, you can't use those statistics to show anything since you can't analyze them properly.

So I'm still waiting for health argument that can be scientifally supported instead of just biased opinions.