Fuehrer: lets bring Federal Republic of Germany to an end

[DinoDoc]

The fact that Eastern Prussia belongs to Russia now.

Because of a genocidal campaign by the Polish.

[Wernazuma III]

Oh dear, he got an unfortunate name for a fundie nutjob

Oh, and do you have a version that isn't written in utter gibberish?

He's actually no fundie nutjob? How comes you consider him as such? Probably because Heresson chose such a weird language as Polish for the link.

Christian Führer is a protestant pastor who led the peaceful protests in Leipzig in 1989 and is known for peaceful counter-demonstrations against Neonazi marches in Leipzig. He received several awards for his peace work.

I guess this story is simply about the deep prejudices wessies and ossies (East and West Germans) have against each other, which he wants to overcome. Of course, believing this could work by renaming Germany is kind of naive...

[DinoDoc]

He's actually no fundie nutjob? How comes you consider him as such?

You have to consider what you know of PH. It's because he was described as a theologian.

[Dr Strangelove]

How about "The Democratic Republic of Federated German States"?

[Zylka]

or facebook

[Ben Kenobi]

The fact that Eastern Prussia belongs to Russia now.

Russia and Poland, and that is thanks to genocide by the Russians.

Russia should give Koenigsberg back to the Germans. My own family is from Allenstein and emigrated prior to the Great War, which would have rolled through the town.

I have no beef with Russians, but Prussia is German, and should be returned.

[Heraclitus]

Russia and Poland, and that is thanks to genocide by the Russians.

Russia should give Koenigsberg back to the Germans. My own family is from Allenstein and emigrated prior to the Great War, which would have rolled through the town.

I have no beef with Russians, but Prussia is German, and should be returned.

You do realize that if you play that game we can just roll the clock back to the time when the dirty imperialist Teutonic order grabbed that land from the Slavic and Baltic peoples (including the real Prussians).

[Ben Kenobi]

You do realize that if you play that game we can just roll the clock back to the time when the dirty imperialist Teutonic order grabbed that land from the Slavic and Baltic peoples (including the real Prussians).

True, but that doesn't explain why the land ought to be Russian.

Germany has a better claim to it then Russia, or Poland.

The real question is what to do with 'Greater' Poland.

[Tattila the Hun]

How about "The Democratic Republic of Federated German States"?

Hum, Democratic Republics rarely are.

[onodera]

True, but that doesn't explain why the land ought to be Russian.

Well, because we *****slapped the Germans out of it. And my granma lives there, too. What are the Germans going to do with an exclave, anyway? I'd rather they got Straßburg back.

[Ben Kenobi]

What are the Germans going to do with an exclave, anyway?

Pomerania + OstPreußen = Germany.

[Heresson]

Ben, I hope you are kidding.

Also, as your family comes from Allenstein (Olsztyn) you should know that the rural area around it continued to be polish-speaking until ww2. Olsztyn itself and the rest of Warmia (Ermland) was part of Teutonic Knights since around 1250 until war 1452-66, with a short polish episode in 1410. Then it remained polish until 1772.
Therefore, it's been polish slightly longer than german actually.

The same goes for most of Powisle region of Eastern Prussia, except for that it's been inhabited by polish tribes prior to prussian dominance, and was at least partly polish until XIII century.

When it comes to the rest, the southern part of East Prussia was inhabited by Poles (protestant Poles - Masurians) until most of them fled after ww2.
Eastern Prussia belonged to Poland briefly in 1410 and during the war 1452-1466, as well as it was under polish occupation during the war 1520-5, and was a fief of Poland 1466-1657. Even after that, it was connected to the Kingdom of Poland in certain ways and according to the 1657 treaty, when Hohenzollerns die out, it is supposed to come back to the Kingdom of Poland.

[Provost Harrison]

He's actually no fundie nutjob? How comes you consider him as such? Probably because Heresson chose such a weird language as Polish for the link.

Christian Führer is a protestant pastor who led the peaceful protests in Leipzig in 1989 and is known for peaceful counter-demonstrations against Neonazi marches in Leipzig. He received several awards for his peace work.

I guess this story is simply about the deep prejudices wessies and ossies (East and West Germans) have against each other, which he wants to overcome. Of course, believing this could work by renaming Germany is kind of naive...

I don't know...I don't read Polish...

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben, I hope you are kidding.

Nope. Half of Belarus should be Polish. Pushing Poland west was an invention of Stalin, and I cannot see why any Polish nationalist would want to have anything to do with the borders as decided by Stalin, who had no love whatsoever from your people.

Also, as your family comes from Allenstein (Olsztyn) you should know that the rural area around it continued to be polish-speaking until ww2. Olsztyn itself and the rest of Warmia (Ermland) was part of Teutonic Knights since around 1250 until war 1452-66, with a short polish episode in 1410.

My family were German Catholics in Allenstein, which is somewhat odd. The area was primarily German speaking, voted something like 95-5 to stay with Germany after the first world war. As you've said, it was a part of the Teutonic Knights, and Poland only had a claim to Warmia, after 1466, and only until 1772, where the area remained primarily German.

After that it was German again for 150 years. I really don't see why Poland has a claim over areas that were settled by Germans, just because Stalin said so.

Therefore, it's been polish slightly longer than german actually.

1250 -1466 (216 years) + (1772-1945) 177 years = 393 years, almost 400 years.

It's been Polish for 1466-1772 = 306 years. 306 + 65 = 371 years.

The same goes for most of Powisle region of Eastern Prussia, except for that it's been inhabited by polish tribes prior to prussian dominance, and was at least partly polish until XIII century.

Prussians weren't Polish whatsoever. They were slavic before the Germans came, but they weren't Poles whatsoever.

When it comes to the rest, the southern part of East Prussia was inhabited by Poles (protestant Poles - Masurians) until most of them fled after ww2.

Masurians were Catholic Germans, not Poles. Poles are almost exclusively Catholic, and the Germans in the south part of East Prussia were Catholic too.

Eastern Prussia belonged to Poland briefly in 1410 and during the war 1452-1466, as well as it was under polish occupation during the war 1520-5, and was a fief of Poland 1466-1657. Even after that, it was connected to the Kingdom of Poland in certain ways and according to the 1657 treaty, when Hohenzollerns die out, it is supposed to come back to the Kingdom of Poland.

The origins of East Prussia have nothing to do with the Hohenzollerns. As you said the Teutonic Knights settled the area. Poland has no claims to the area at all. The Hohenzollerns are completely foreign to the area.

[Dr Strangelove]

Actually the Teutonic Knights exterminated the Prussians. After the initial conquest, in which large numbers were killed, they took the remaining population as slaves and forbade them to breed. Needless to say they quickly died out and were replaced by settlers from Germany.

Anyway, the borders were settled by the allied forces and the United Nations 60 years ago, so that's that. Consider the loss of territory to be a lesson to the Germans about the whole eastward expansion thing, Ned ..... uh, I mean Ben. The area belongs to the Russian because the rest of the world says so. When someone claiming German ancestry proclaims Germany's right to it we should look on that proclamation in the same light as we would look on a proclamation of 'Anschluss' - a threat to world peace. We must unite as one to repell the hunnish thug ands send him back to the dead pages of past history. We must invoke the ancient Paladins who led the fight against our once dread foe - Eisenhauer, Patton, Montgomery, Churchill, Roosevelt, Malinkov. We must vanquish this evil forever.