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  • #61
    Originally posted by Wezil View Post
    This is actually an interesting discussion.

    What does the US (or "West" if you prefer) do in such an event?
    I vote for USAF precision strikes on delivery capabilities and then throw the keys to India.
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    • #62
      By "delivery capabilities," do you mean probable missile launch sites, or every possible route out of the country (to guard against nuclear terrorism)? Or both?
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      • #63
        Hypothetically...

        I'm sure US Intelliigence know where the missile sites are. Also destroy every vehicle near the storage facilities and any vehicles approaching or leaving them. Destroying the facilities themselves could be problematic, unless they are conveniently buried so that you can collapse tons of earth on them and the entrances.

        Possibly also blockade the country and allow no ship out for good measure, but... how do you prevent things being moved to Iran?
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        • #64
          Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post

          Pity the Brits gave up Pakistan.

          This used to be their sphere of influence before they just gave up.
          Bring back the empire
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          • #65
            Originally posted by notyoueither View Post
            I vote for USAF precision strikes on delivery capabilities and then throw the keys to India.
            Good idea.


            Other than that, Oerdin, you make me look Jane Fondaish. That's quite a feat.

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            • #66
              My brother who is a card carrying commie and who visited Russia once told me they should nuke the NK artillery on the other side of the DMV so NK can't destroy Seoul.

              So there's hope.
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              • #67
                but... how do you prevent things being moved to Iran?
                Why would Sunni militants want to give nuclear weapons to Iran?
                Stop Quoting Ben

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                • #68
                  learn to love the Talibs
                  Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                  Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Wezil View Post
                    This is actually an interesting discussion.

                    What does the US (or "West" if you prefer) do in such an event?
                    Start to listen, maybe ?

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
                      It's called psychosis. That and the fact that they are incapable of fighting the Taliban since the majority of their people agree with the Taliban. Nuking is to good for them. It should be made clear that they either fight or we'll kill them. Make sure they know their choices are bad or catastrophic. Then see what they decide. If they choose wrong then, no problem, they get to become the world's largest class factory.

                      My guess is with a gun to their head they'll agree to grab their balls and fight since they're completely unable to do so without other motivation.
                      Faces with this, if i was the pakistani gov, i´d promptly give over the gov to the taliban on the premise, they´d nuke the west.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
                        I honestly think everything, absolutely EVERYTHING, must be on the table. This includes nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons. ...
                        Yeah, drop some biological weapons on Asia. Whoever did that, would be marked for all eternity beyond civilization and would utterly deserve to be hated wared against by whoever would survive this über-holocaust. May god give that no-one of your opinion ever gets to position of responsibility - cowards are just not suited for that.

                        (i think the magnitude or oerdin´s words, the actual call to consider a ´preventive´ genocide, justifies an exception to be made to my usual policy to refrain from personal attacks).

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                        • #72
                          AFAIK, Pakistan has nuclear capability, but no assembled missiles. This is deliberate; because the country is so unstable, their security solution (which we may have suggested; I can't recall) has been to store the constituent parts of nukes in different facilities. So, in order to get their hands on a nuke, a terrorist group would actually have to seize multiple facilities and know how to reassemble what it found. The odds of this happening seem slim (since, if they seized one facility, the Pakistanis would likely destroy -- or evacuate, with our assistance -- what was in the others rather than letting it be seized).

                          The danger is not really the Taliban with nuclear missiles. The more plausible danger is the Taliban with nuclear materials, which they could sell, for boatloads of cash, to players like Iran, North Korea, or even the Saudis, Syrians, or Libyans.
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                          • #73
                            And this just in:

                            Taliban to leave Pakistan's Buner District

                            PESHAWAR, Pakistan, April 24 (UPI) -- Taliban militants will vacate the Buner District of Pakistan's North-West Frontier Province, where they had been patrolling the streets, officials say.
                            Local officials say Taliban leaders agreed to the pullout Friday after more than 100 government paramilitary troops were sent to Buner to man the police stations around the district, Pakistan's English-language newspaper Dawn reported.

                            Two paramilitary platoons were dispatched to the rugged region, which had been invaded by Taliban militants from the neighboring Swat Valley and is only 70 miles from the Pakistani capital of Islamabad, the newspaper said.

                            Armed Taliban fighters had set up checkpoints and occupied mosques in Buner in recent days, declaring Islamic law. The United States responded with alarm, saying it was "extremely concerned" over the situation, which came after a controversial move by Islamabad to allow Shariah law in the Swat valley, Dawn reported.
                            Taliban militants will vacate the Buner District of Pakistan's North-West Frontier Province, where they had been patrolling the streets, officials say.


                            I'd be interesting to know what motivated that decision.
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
                              The Islamists are the majority. Let the Indians have a field day with them. Think of it as pay back for the Islamic invasion of South Asia.
                              The right payback for the invasion of South Asia would be the complete isolation of the entire Muslim belt in that region, and it inevitable collapse into Islamic fundamentalism and finally irrelevance.

                              Let them suffer Islam and its ideas for a thousand years. Let them see what being true to Mohammed means. Let them feel the yoke of their own oppression. Let them feel the frustration of the world outcompeting them in everything. Let them see their god fail to protect them from themselves. Let them regress to the medieval age and into final irrelevance. Let them face the consequences of their ideas and actions. Let them submit to their brutal and disgusting Allah and his capricious Prophet.

                              With Islam, that is punishment enough.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Lancer View Post
                                My brother who is a card carrying commie and who visited Russia once told me they should nuke the NK artillery on the other side of the DMV so NK can't destroy Seoul.

                                So there's hope.
                                They have a DMV? I didn't know enough North Koreans owned cars to make such a thing worthwhile. Or is that just a euphemism for "torture chamber?"

                                NYE, Bosh beat me to it. Iranians are dirty heretics, or whatever term Islam uses. They're The Enemy to the Taliban, just like us. Now, if POed enough they might make alliances they wouldn't consider otherwise...

                                Oh, and Aneeshm, Oerdin still holds the prize for "Most Spit-flecked Blind Hatred Against Muslims," at least for this thread. Try again, perhaps with some death threats?
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