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  • #61
    Because you mostly use them for things such as intel and recon that is on theater level or below, and for combat support, which should be directed by the local commanders, who run the show locally.


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    • #62
      Like we need more ****ing fighter planes.


      Fighter planes are like attack subs; they don't do dick until a real war breaks out. Then you can't have enough of 'em...

      Or use F18s


      The F-18 sucks. The USN should've navalized the F-16, but they have a stick up their ass about only flying two-engine planes.

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      • #63
        Any country that could afford to build an airforce to compete with ours for air superiority can also build strategic nuclear weapons, making the whole question moot.
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        • #64
          They didn't do **** in the Gulf War.

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          • #65
            Attack subs are capital assets. They create sea control. And we don't need 100 of them either. but they are good bang for the buck. Plusd they do sewars of moscow style missions.

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            • #66
              Any country that could afford to build an airforce to compete with ours for air superiority can also build strategic nuclear weapons, making the whole question moot.


              Yes, because America and China are definitely going to escalate to nuclear weapons in a conflict over Taiwan.

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              • #67
                They didn't do **** in the Gulf War.


                The Gulf War wasn't a real war.

                Attack subs are capital assets. They create sea control.


                Air superiority fighters are important assets. They control the skies.

                The F-22 is the aerial equivalent of the Sea Wolf. And the F-35 is the equivalent of the Virginia-class, ie. a less capable replacement that was supposed to be significantly cheaper but didn't actually turn out that way.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut View Post
                  Like we need more ****ing fighter planes.


                  Fighter planes are like attack subs; they don't do dick until a real war breaks out. Then you can't have enough of 'em...

                  Or use F18s


                  The F-18 sucks. The USN should've navalized the F-16, but they have a stick up their ass about only flying two-engine planes.

                  Did you DanS?

                  And F16 is for midgets that like to do turns. F18 can drop more bombs and heas better legs. Oh...and Navalize away. We;ll deal with it, when it has salt corrosion resistance, heavier landing gear, etc. etc. When you get done it won't be an F16. The only joint figheters that work are when the Aiur Force uses ours. We can't use theirs. Look at the fricking FB111

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut View Post
                    They didn't do **** in the Gulf War.


                    The Gulf War wasn't a real war.

                    Attack subs are capital assets. They create sea control.


                    Air superiority fighters are important assets. They control the skies.

                    The F-22 is the aerial equivalent of the Sea Wolf. And the F-35 is the equivalent of the Virginia-class, ie. a less capable replacement that was supposed to be significantly cheaper but didn't actually turn out that way.

                    All the real subs are named after fish...we don't need a Virginia or a Sea Wolf. It's a total waste of money. They were decomissioning Sturgeons and even LAs early.

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                    • #70
                      I don't think joint fighters work very well in general, which is another reason to worry about the F-35. I'd like to blame it on the Navy to piss you off, but it's more the fault of the Marines and their dumbass insistence on VTOL. Why do they even let the Marines have their own planes?

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut View Post
                        I don't think joint fighters work very well in general, which is another reason to worry about the F-35. I'd like to blame it on the Navy to piss you off, but it's more the fault of the Marines and their dumbass insistence on VTOL. Why do they even let the Marines have their own planes?
                        They don't have their own artillery. And they like having integrated fighting package (MAFTF) that can handle joint ops within a small sized and more cohesive structure. That said, their air wing has not been crucial in general.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by DanS View Post
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                          • #73
                            If they really insist on vertical takeoff, then make them use helicopters like the Army. Otherwise, bring back the A-10. I'd even take the funds for it out of the Air Force's budget, to punish them for dropping the best plane in the US inventory in the first place.

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                            • #74
                              They don't need VTOL. That is them getting too fancy.

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                              • #75
                                It's stupid. It means they get stuck with ****ty planes like the Harrier when they could be spending the money on a real CAS plane.

                                The Army should have the A-10, as well. Get rid of Key West...

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