Europe is Revolting

[Patroklos]

No. Unless you can come up with a reason, then you have nothing.

Kid, Vel gave you his reason in depth.

So are you denying that every iteration of communist revolution has ended up with strong man rule or not? How many real world experiments do you need before you can join the sane in the realization that your concepts are crap?

[Kidlicious]

Nope...I said that the endpoint of communism, because of faults in its design, gives you totalitarianism every time. Not "every revolution." Every communist revolution.

That's never happened though. In the USSR the party created a totalitarian system. One didn't just develop because of the "faults" of design.

So without any real world example why don't you tell us how you think this would play out?

[Kidlicious]

Kid, Vel gave you his reason in depth.

Post # ?

I didn't think so hack.

[Velociryx]

Okay Kid...yes. You're right. If we pretend history didn't happen, you're absolutely right.

Can't admit to being wrong tho, cos (to quote you), you're yella.

That's about all I have time for, and thank you once again for proving that you are the most thick headed person I know.

-=Vel=-

[Kidlicious]

Okay Kid...yes. You're right. If we pretend history didn't happen, you're absolutely right.

Can't admit to being wrong tho, cos (to quote you), you're yella.

That's about all I have time for, and thank you once again for proving that you are the most thick headed person I know.

-=Vel=-

Thank you again for another BAM

[Velociryx]

Just...point me to a communist revolution that hasn't ended up with some form or another of totalitarian rule, and you win!

Can't, eh?

Surprise, surprise....

-=Vel=-

That's never happened though. In the USSR the party created a totalitarian system. One didn't just develop because of the "faults" of design.

And why do you suppose they did that? They were the big red revolution, come to fruition, after all. And yet....

Don't even bother with an answer. I'm being masochistic even asking the question, I know, so I'll bid you good day.

-V.

[Patroklos]

Post # ?

I didn't think so hack.

Ooooooo, you get so fiesty when backed into corner.

Try #'s 126, 130, and 150.

I understand you are going to ignore them, but that doesn't change the fact that you were boot stomped mercilessly (if still politely).

[The Mad Monk]

Marx knew that great wealth would be created in a capitalist system. That's what I would call "leading to a far bigger cake." He knew that self-interest works in the capitalist system, but that it would also work in a communist system. The only difference being that society would be organized in a way that fostered cooperation instead of competition.

So after that "bigger cake" is made, then it's time for all the world to share it.

When is the cake big enough?

[Kidlicious]

Just...point me to a communist revolution that hasn't ended up with some form or another of totalitarian rule, and you win!

I would expect there to be the danger of any revolution ending in some sort of authoritarian system, especially when there are internal and external enemies. So the fact the no communist revolution has resulted in a democratic system doesn't mean **** to me. All I'm asking is what's different about a communist movement that you think makes it prone to a totalitarian system, and the fact is that the only answer that you can give me is "human nature." So you have nothing so far.

That's never happened though. In the USSR the party created a totalitarian system. One didn't just develop because of the "faults" of design.

And why do you suppose they did that? They were the big red revolution, come to fruition, after all. And yet....

Don't even bother with an answer. I'm being masochistic even asking the question, I know, so I'll bid you good day.

-V.

If you don't mind I'll just repeat the same answer that I've already given you. There were democratic forces within the party. Those forces were overwelmed. There's a danger of that with any revolution. I don't think you have any idea how revolutions go down.

[chequita guevara]

You lost this line of thought a couple pages back. Please review

The fact that you don't agree doesn't mean I lost, especially since it was merely an assertion on your part that undeveloped capitalist countries aren't really capitalist.

[Kidlicious]

When is the cake big enough?

It's already. Most of what is produced now is waste.

[Patroklos]

So the fact the no communist revolution has resulted in a democratic system doesn't mean **** to me.

I see. So how long have you been a creationist?

All I'm asking is what's different about a communist movement that you think makes it prone to a totalitarian system, and the fact is that the only answer that you can give me is "human nature." So you have nothing so far.

Actually, you know what, screw the historic examples of consistantly repeated experiments with the same result. YOU Kid, are the a living, breathing, and unfortunetly talking example of exactly why communism doesn't work.

[Kidlicious]

Ooooooo, you get so fiesty when backed into corner.

Try #'s 126, 130, and 150.

I understand you are going to ignore them, but that doesn't change the fact that you were boot stomped mercilessly (if still politely).

You're going to have to do the work. I've witnessed plenty of your hack jobs in the past.

[Patroklos]

You're going to have to do the work. I've witnessed plenty of your hack jobs in the past.

It may have escaped your notice, but I am not a mod hense I have no ability to perform "hack jobs" on other people's posts.

[The Mad Monk]

It's already. Most of what is produced now is waste.

Since 1918, you mean?