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You mean the histrionic bull**** Buchannan spewed, as opposed to the real substance of his argument?
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More people are seeing the truth in the "histrionic bull****" every day.No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.Comment
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I disagree with his conclusions. For one, they clearly did not have "just as much unemployment as when [they] started." For another, it's pretty obvious that what finally put an end to unemployment was the war, which was an utterly MASSIVE spending program. We then came out of that war with some substantial advantages (much of the rest of the industrialized world blown to hell) that we will not have now."We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work...After eight years of this Administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started... And an enormous debt to boot!" — Henry Morgenthau, Franklin Delano Roosevelt's Treasury secretary, 1941.
But the New Deal was important in other ways. It wasn't just about the unemployment rate. It was, quite literally, a change in the social contract. I believe FDR saved US capitalism... the irony being, of course, that US capitalists mostly hate his guts. Heh. In the 30s, we could easily have succumbed to far worse (communism, fascism, somethingelsereallybadism...). His compromise salvaged the system that was teetering on the brink of collapse.
If you want to go back to the Gilded Age, I'm sorry. Most of us don't.
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Originally posted by The Mad Monk View Post
Considering you're a RW true believer, I'm sure you really believe that. I don't see much evidence for it, though.
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As Ross Douthat of The Atlantic pointed out today, Obama's plan seems to be the exact opposite of the "starve the beast" theory. Basically, have so much new social spending and social programs that you will be forced to raise taxes on everyone in order to pay for them to have some semblance of a balanced budget (which was something that Matt Yglesias of Think Progress, no right winger, agreed with).Originally posted by Arrian View Post
I mean its incredibly foolish to believe that simply raising the top marginal rate from 35% to 40% is going to pay for everything, especially when the budget (coming AFTER the stimulus) increases government spending by ~10%. And to those who think that all this government spending will be reversed when the crisis is over,
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Originally posted by The Mad Monk View PostWhat exactly are we supposed to apologize about?
If anything, we're just starting to turn up the heat.
Is Obama another Bush or a socialist?
But keep attacking Obama. It's working great!
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TMM is also a devoted Rush follower. I'm very glad he bit.
“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
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What did Rush say that was out of line?Originally posted by Oerdin View PostI make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Just to be contrarian: http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla...sion-5409.aspxOriginally posted by Arrian View PostI make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Imran,
Ok, fair enough. I was addressing the whining about the marginal tax rate increase/deduction changes. I have not yet addressed the "generational theft" argument.
I have to run. I'll leave with this:
The second argument holds more water. This will increase our debt, and I hate debt. There are things, however, I hate more. And I'm willing to pay my share in the future.
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2008 budget = $2.9 trillionOriginally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
2009 budget = $3.1 trillion
increase of 6.8%
...and remember, the 2009 budget was submitted by the Bush administration.
Source: Wikipedia
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Cry me a ****ing river.
You don't seem left-wing enough to approve of Obama's budget if you actually understand what impact it will have. Thankfully I don't think you understand, based on Imran's later comments.Comment
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Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
First, that he hoped Obama would fail.
When it was pointed out to him that if Obama failed, so would the American economy, he said, he hoped Obama would fail but that the American economy wouldn't. WFT does THAT mean???
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Why is hoping a political philosophy of your opponent fails that bad?
Did liberals really hope that Bush would succeed in his conservative plans?“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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