Americans voted for Change

[Blaupanzer]

Do you really think abortions have stopped over the past few years? Based on what?

Torturers say the info gained is not very reliable and is completely useless after about 48 hours since the capture of the indiviual is detected. Real fact, not BS.

Obama voters wanted and deserve change from the pinnacle of Republican competence for the last 8 years. The first time Obama does something half as slimy or idiotic as the previous office holder people will be disappointed. Obams most likely will stay in office for the whole four (or eight) years without ever sinking so low as half as bad as Bush.

[Arrian]

Talking sensibly about torture:

You have got to be ****ing kidding me. "If we don't torture them a little now, the public might make us torture them a lot later, so we'd better torture a little, to be kind!" Also, howTF do you quantify percentages of brutality? Should we twist the thumb-screws a certain percentage of the breaking point, so that only microfractures result?

Also, note that he endorses spreading scary rumors and describes how they might be effective. That's not torture by anyone's definition that I know of. Also "rough treatment" and "grim conditions," but he doesn't say what exactly those constitute so it's hard to judge that.

Elok

Dead on balls accurate. "Talking sensibly" appears to mean weasle-worded apology for torture.

Lancer, I'm sorry you feel that way. I totally understand your frustration with your tax dollars funding something you find abhorrent.

-Arrian

[Darius871]

When, if ever, did the public cry out for torturing people to soothe the pain of 9/11!?

Were you in the U.S. at the time?

[Boris Godunov]

Were you in the U.S. at the time?

I was in New York City at the time, and I don't recall any public demand for torture from there or anywhere else.

[Dinner]

The Daily Show hits another home run. This one is posted especially for Rah.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=216561&title=Fox-News-Fear-Imbalance

[Darius871]

I was in New York City at the time, and I don't recall any public demand for torture from there or anywhere else.

I guess it just depends on what crowds you find yourself around.

[Arrian]

There was definitely a desire for vengeance. Hell, my boss at the time was blathering about turning the ME into glass. The Towers were still burning (pre-collapse) and he was saying that.

Of course, he always says he votes for any Republican not under indictment.

-Arrian

[Theben]

I guess it just depends on what crowds you find yourself around.

I tend to avoid the nazi skinhead crowd.

[Arrian]

Lots of normal people were angry after 9/11 and not thinking very clearly. Many of them still are angry and still aren't thinking very clearly. Lots of people in this country are fine with Gitmo just the way it is.

-Arrian

[MrFun]

If the rest of the country wants to go on a killing spree that's something about which I can do nothing since Obama won a majority this is what the peoiple want. I just don't want to be a part of it and by using my taxes I'm being forced into it. Using the German comparison again, its as if a majority of Germans voted for the guy who proudly proclaimed he was going to set up gas chambers and a few people like myself were left wondering wtf do I do now?


I got one more summer working season in the US and then God willing I'm done, and that is some consolation.

Have you gone completely senile with your Republican party tool mentality?

[Lorizael]

This is why I voted for McCain. In my view the government is now using my tax dollars to kill people. This really bothers me. I feel like I'm living in Nazi Germany and my reichmarks are going for extermination camps.

Condoms to Nazi Germany. Excellent godwinization.

[Arrian]

To be fair, abortions to Nazi Germany. I still find the comparison poor, but it's a ****load better than condoms -> Nazis.

-Arrian

[MrFun]

That's an understatement, Arrian; using Nazi Germany as a comparision with aborition is just plain dumb.

[rah]

The Daily Show hits another home run. This one is posted especially for Rah.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...Fear-Imbalance

yeah pretty funny.

But hopefully most of you that see my posts will see me as a moderate repug, and not a wingnut like most of the people over at FOX. I do watch it every now and then (in real small doses) to see what the wingnuts are being told to think.

Stewart rocks. But eventually the focus will have to change to the current administration.

It was like Letterman the other night. They've been using Great moments in presidential speaches to just rip Bush a new one for the last eight years. They tried it last night with Obama and didn't even try to choose a snippet out of context that would look silly. They used a serious one and when it finished letterman said, well i guess that bit doesn't work anymore. Quite funny but just a tad biased.

[Naked Gents Rut]

Because knowing what the **** you're talking about is HARD.

Relevant bit bolded because reading is HARD.

If you're going to talk **** to someone more knowledgeable than yourself, you might want to do it with greater backup than a single word in a newspaper piece...

Obama's orders did not ban the controversial CIA practice of "extraordinary rendition," in which prisoners are transferred by the CIA from one country to another.

Those transfers can continue, according to the orders, as long as prisoners are not taken to other nations "to face torture" or as part of a CIA effort to circumvent international laws on detainee treatment.

"There are some renditions that are, in fact, justifiable, defensible," said the senior Obama administration official. "There's not going to be rendition to any country that engages in torture."

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-obama-guantanamo23-2009jan23,0,6159328,full.story

Sometimes I really wonder why I waste my time here. It can't be for the elevated level of discourse.