Defining Sexuality: Why is it necessary to gauge acceptability levels?

[Q Classic]

Asher, of course Christians do everything in unison. All gays do, too, particularly when we pull **** in Utah.

I mean, I was there. You were there. I'm sure we must have been involved in some sort of buggery at some point while there.

On the front lawn of the Mormon church, no less.

[Berzerker]

oh good, this is about the gays... Thought GT might have found out about my fondness for farm animals

[Q Classic]

Yeah, don't have a cow, Berz.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Q Classic
Asher, of course Christians do everything in unison. All gays do, too, particularly when we pull **** in Utah.

I mean, I was there. You were there. I'm sure we must have been involved in some sort of buggery at some point while there.

On the front lawn of the Mormon church, no less.

Was that before or after we burned down every Mormon church and raped all of the Mormon missionaries we could find?

[MrFun]

And we also eat the babies of Mormon families.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Asher


Was that before or after we burned down every Mormon church and raped all of the Mormon missionaries we could find?

I don't remember, I was hepped up on meth the whole time so I wouldn't feel bad about barebacking.

But yeah, them Mormon boys are hot.

Well, they were when we burned them.

[Grandpa Troll]

Well, this is certainly getting some exposure, airing out the inevitable, that indeed, many people do feel the need to gauge acceptability elvels

Maybe this is why some folks dont feel comfortable coming out and saying "this is me, like it or not, this is me in my happy place'

I will say, many people, religious or not, have so much that people would not find socially acceptable and thats the truth, sexual definition is not something people in general will say they are comfortable with, but surely we should all recognize it is being done and not by force!

Alas, double standards and the old golden rule, when ya point a finger at someone, ya got 3 pointing back at you!


Gramps

[Asher]

Originally posted by Q Classic

I don't remember, I was hepped up on meth the whole time so I wouldn't feel bad about barebacking.

But yeah, them Mormon boys are hot.

Well, they were when we burned them.

As I was telling Verto earlier tonight, the one time I actually spoke to a mormon missionary was because one of them was insanely hot. I made sure it was never a deep conversation, but I did drop my subway pass which he picked up for me.

[Ben Kenobi]

I like how every Christian needs to do something in unison.

You were saying what happened to Shepherd is precisely what happened to Christ.

Christ was crucified after a trial and scourging by the Romans. Did the Christians do this to Matthew Shepherd?

The best you could come up with is the fact that the mom of one of the folks who beat Matthew Shepherd was a practicing Mormon. That's pretty sad.

Christianity, as a group, persecutes homosexuals regularly. Check out Prop 8, which you supported.

The only people who were rioting and engaging in vandalism were the gay people. If they want to claim persecution, then why didn't all the gay people get arrested for disturbing the peace?

I don't think a single one of them has been arrested for their crimes. Far as I can see, you have more rights not fewer. You are a special class and don't like it when the rank and file get uppity to say otherwise.

You're just not bright enough to realize what you're doing is social persecution.

Social persecution is rioting and intimidation, which was in full bore. I don't see the Christians intimidating you in any way shape or form. If anything, the Mormons were the oppressed minority.

I don't buy the excuse that religion and homophobia have no correlation, because statistics show otherwise.

Homophobia is awfully broad. Anyone who doesn't praise gay peopel to the skies is considered homophobic.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
You were saying what happened to Shepherd is precisely what happened to Christ.

I never said that. You're being dishonest, in Boris' terminology. In my terminology, you are a ****ing liar.

Christ was crucified after a trial and scourging by the Romans. Did the Christians do this to Matthew Shepherd?

They didn't even give him the courtesy of a trial.

Social persecution is rioting and intimidation, which was in full bore. I don't see the Christians intimidating you in any way shape or form.

You've never experienced religious-rooted homophobia, as I have countless times in my life. I've had close friends booted out of their homes and disowned by their Christian parents because they couldn't condone the gay "lifestyle" with their Christian views. You've never seen the people actively bully and assault gay high school students, or in general in the real world (and it is a real problem). I'm not sure why you wouldn't call any of these activities intimidation. Though I suppose at some point you may realize they are intimidation, and you'll take the path of explaining how we can't prove that any person has ever intimidated or assaulted a gay person who was Christian. You've tried that before, too.

On a large, society-wide scale this is evident with the legislation of Christian morals in the USA (and prior, in Canada) by banning gay marriage, for instance.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Asher

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You've never experienced religious-rooted homophobia, as I have countless times in my life. I've had close friends booted out of their homes and disowned by their Christian parents because they couldn't condone his "lifestyle" with their Christian views.

See, this is not the Christ I know and who loves me.

To simply kick out or disown, where is the Love that Christ has shown and does show us?

Asher, thats horrible, I hope your friend knows not all professing Christians are homophobic or homosexual hate mongers, very sad indeed

[Asher]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll


See, this is not the Christ I know and who loves me.

To simply kick out or disown, where is the Love that Christ has shown and does show us?

Asher, thats horrible, I hope your friend knows not all professing Christians are homophobic or homosexual hate mongers, very sad indeed

It was not just one friend.

Though in particular I was thinking of a friend of mine who was not only disowned by his family (and still hasn't been in touch with them, four years later) but also had a large trust fund taken away. He was genuinely suicidal for months afterwards, he lost not only his family and his home but a lot of trust fund money. Yeah, it was "just money", but to say it was a slap in the face would be an understatement.

Gay teen suicide rates are far higher than any other demographic, and the reason for this is the widespread intimidation by a Christian society.

I'm really not interested in the inevitable argument that homphobes need not be Christians -- which is true -- but the correlation with Christianity is undeniable.

For Ben to say he doesn't see Christian intimidation towards homosexuals is just demonstrating his intense dishonesty or his astounding stupidity. Either way, he doesn't know how offensive his claims are.

[Ben Kenobi]

You've never experienced religious-rooted homophobia, as I have countless times in my life.

No, I've been bullied throughout my life. So I know very well what bullies do and how they operate.

I've never known one gay person who has suffered from Christians. Not one of them. I know many who have been accepted and welcomed, some who responded to the acceptance, and others who rejected it.

I have seen gay people, as I said earlier, harass Christians. I've seen them spray paint a Catholic church. You want to know why I converted? That played a huge part.

I've seen them spit in Christian's faces, shout them down with a bullhorn, attack them, and the Christians have either held their ground or walked away. I've never seen them retaliate.

As far as I am concerned, those gay people were no different then the bullies in my life, they acted in exactly the same manner, while the Christians just stood and took it.

Now I know not all gay people are like that, but my experience is that Christians are far more persecuted by gay people then vice versa.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
No, I've been bullied throughout my life. So I know very well what bullies do and how they operate.

I've never known one gay person who has suffered from Christians.

Every gay person who can't marry in your country suffers from Christians.

Didn't read the rest because I'm trying to stay in a good mood and not tear you a tenth *******.

[Q Classic]

I knew a kid in my youth group - a Catholic one, when I was devout - who ended up being shunned by his family when he came out in college.

But you're right, he didn't suffer at all.