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  • In the West, a deep sense of betrayal



    Of the many story lines that flowed from the recent federal election, one of the most discussed was the growing irrelevance of the Liberal Party west of Ontario.

    Westerners had turned their backs on Canada's once-natural governing party in ever greater numbers. It lost seats in every western province except Alberta, where it had none to lose.

    After the ballots were counted, the party had a single MP in Manitoba, a single MP in Saskatchewan and five in British Columbia, down from the 10 seats it won in 2006. The leadership of Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion was resoundingly rejected.

    It was visceral. Many westerners felt no connection with the erudite Liberal Leader and believed he was a pointy-headed personification of the lack of connection his party had with their views and values. Many Liberals concurred.

    But that would be fixed, party officials vowed after the election. Once they dumped Dion and crowned a new leader the rebuilding would begin. It might take years, but fences in the West would be mended. The party would again speak for most of the country, not just shrinking sections of it.

    It is against that backdrop that British Columbians, and westerners in general, are reacting today to a plan by the Liberals, the New Democratic Party and the Bloc Québécois to kick the Conservatives from office and take over in Ottawa. And the reaction has not been kind.

    In all my years listening to talk radio in Vancouver, I have never heard such anger. Of the dozens who phoned in yesterday morning to Bill Good's No. 1-rated talk show on CKNW, calls were running 95 per cent against the coalition.

    Of course, it makes sense that in a province that voted mostly Tory in the last election people wouldn't be thrilled with the idea of a Prime Minister Stéphane Dion running the country, however temporarily. Still, the rage directed at the coalition proposal is a rage I have rarely heard.

    Not that people aren't steamed at Stephen Harper for creating this mess.

    Oh, they are. But there is an overriding feeling, one which I share, that the Prime Minister should be given a chance to fix his problems and address the concerns of the opposition before he and the Conservatives are turfed in favour of a coalition led by someone whose leadership and party were rejected in overwhelming numbers just weeks ago.

    But the coalition partners have no interest in doing this. It's all about power now, power they couldn't have imagined a month ago. Power they will do anything for, even if it means holding hands with separatists.

    This is the part of the deal that many Canadians find so vile and unseemly. It is certainly the element that has upset British Columbians.

    How do you bury your values and ideals, your sense of country, to that degree and have any credibility left?

    As one caller to Mr. Good said: “When I heard that I felt sick to my stomach.”

    I think that's how a lot people continue to feel today. There is something morally dishonest about what the Liberals and the NDP are trying to do, and both parties are taking an enormous risk proposing it.

    If the plan goes ahead, there will be a backlash that will emanate from the West but will be felt, to varying degrees, right across the country.

    There will certainly be damage done to the state of national unity. I don't see how both the Liberals and the NDP, but particularly the Liberals, won't end up paying a heavy price for it down the road.

    As repulsive as the idea sounds, I think Canadians would prefer an election to settle this matter before seeing the Governor-General hand power to a coalition born at the hands of separatists.
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    • Thanks guys.

      Man Apolyton is way better then a newspaper!
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      • It's not just the west. Quebec is getting a good going over as well. Between Harper's constant attacks on the BQ and Dion's willingness to lend them credibility, the national unity file is taking damage in that province as well.
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        • Originally posted by Wezil
          It's not just the west. Quebec is getting a good going over as well. Between Harper's constant attacks on the BQ and Dion's willingness to lend them credibility, the national unity file is taking damage in that province as well.

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          • That would be really ironic if finally by his own fault, Dion will destroy this country!!
            bleh

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            • Did anyone else notice the name of the book behind Dion during the speech?

              It was called "Hot Air". No joke.

              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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              • I don't remember the opposition getting 'equal time' after FDR's fireside chats.
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                • It didn't matter. FDR was going to win the confidence vote handily. Besides, the Governor General had already told him through back channels that his position as PM was safe.
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                  • Dion's amateur hour


                    Jack Layton is speaking now in front of Parliament. He looks like a national party leader. Stephane Dion, to put it charitably, did not. And that's a significant problem when you're attempting to make the leap to prime minister.

                    The Liberals will frantically be encouraging media to look at the substance of what Dion said tonight, as opposed to its delivery. And if you put the text of their two speeches next to each other, Dion's was indeed stronger. Unfortunately, most people are not going to meticulously compare their texts. They're going to base their decision on what they saw tonight - or what they didn't see, if they tuned out before the Liberals got their act together and delivered Dion's tape.

                    For Dion's sake, frankly, not seeing it might have been better. The stumbles over language were perhaps to be expected, although with all afternoon to film it you'd think they could've done enough takes to get it right. But the presentation itself was plainly appalling. At a time when he needed to look reassuring, to look prime ministerial, he looked exactly the way the Conservatives have been trying to portray him - like the leader of some sort of third-rate coup, being filmed in his hideout with one of his accomplices sticking a cheap video camera in his face.

                    I'm aware this sounds trivial. It's not. And any commentator who overlooks the presentation tonight is being way too kind.

                    Communication skills and professionalism are key when you're attempting to lead what might be the most unwieldy government in Canadian history. Dion displayed not a smidgeon of either.

                    From the perspective of parliamentary democracy, I'm of the opinion that the Governor-General should reject Harper's attempt to prorogue. But if I were a Liberal, I'd be hoping she grants it. That would afford time to select a new leader before bringing the Conservatives down. And it's now more obvious than ever that they really, really need one.
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                    • Originally posted by KrazyHorse


                      Errr...no. If the other 3 parties had sent a letter to Jean immediately following the election saying that they would under no circumstances grant Harper the confidence of the Commons while they would grant it to Dion then Jean would have allowed Dion to have first crack at it. This is PRECISELY what King did in 1925.
                      No, it's not.

                      King was the incumbent. He was supported by the Progressives prior to the election. The Progressives negotiated with both Meighen and King.

                      There is no negotiating going on here with the Tories. Dion is not an incumbent. In fact, he is a disgraced leader forced to resign by his own party.

                      Furthermore, the Liberals and Tories were at least close in support in 1925. That is not the case today. The Tories are incumbents and increased both their seat and vote count. The Liberals have declined in both. Dion is proposing himself as PM with a negative mandate when he lacks even the confidence oif his own party.

                      King asked for a dissolution in 1925. Harper will demand it and be on much more solid ground.
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                      • King was the incumbent.


                        Doesn't matter

                        He was supported by the Progressives prior to the election.


                        Doesn't matter

                        The Progressives negotiated with both Meighen and King.


                        Really doesn't matter.

                        Do you have ANY precedents to show that any of these three factors mean ANYTHING?
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                        • Mandate has always mattered. Mandate is widely discussed about governments in parliaments.

                          In this case, in the elcetion of a few weeks ago, Dion specifically ruled out entering into any coalition.

                          Now let me ask you, do you have any precedents for a coalition to be brought to power following a vote of non-confidence?
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                          • Really, NYE. You're inventing standards to judge this by. I have no idea where you are cooking up your constitutional opinions from, because it's not from traditional practice.
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                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
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                            • Do you have any precedents of a coalition to exclude the plurality from power?
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                              • Now let me ask you, do you have any precedents for a coalition to be brought to power following a vote of non-confidence?


                                Originally posted by KrazyHorse

                                Really, NYE. You're inventing standards to judge this by. I have no idea where you are cooking up your constitutional opinions from, because it's not from traditional practice.
                                I thought not.

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